the first sat pic looks like a tail mounted engine aircraft MD 80 F100 etc, the second is a 737....
outrageous that people try this sort of stuff!!

'Ping Rings'
 

The primary task is to find the aircraft. If you just concentrate on one thing for now - pls can we have those other Inmarsat 'rings'? Access to them would eliminate many wild ideas.

And if we believe Inmarsat's rings, please remember that they tell us that there was power on that aircraft until 0811 + 59 MINS. So no missile strikes near Kota Baru, no crashes in the Belum Forest, etc.

At the next conference, will some journalist please nag Hashim to give details of the other five rings? Don't worry about why we need the details, you'll get plenty of copy here afterwards.

I didn't realise their sensors were that good but..

Flight MH370: No explosion or crash detected, UN N-watchdog says - The Times of India

A UN-backed nuclear watchdog has said that it did not detect either any explosion or crash that could be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, amid continued speculation over fate of the aircraft.

"Regarding the missing Malaysian Airlines flight... the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) confirmed that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far," Spokesman for UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here on Monday.

Dujarric said plane accidents may be detected, depending on individual circumstances, by three of the four technologies used by the CTBTO's International Monitoring System (IMS).

While the verification system has been put in place to detect nuclear explosions, it is also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water.

CTBTO executive secretary Lassina Zerbo had last week said that he would put the sensors of the organization at work to see if a possible explosion at high altitude of the missing Malaysian Airlines plane could be detected.

Continues..

Unless criminal or terrorist activity is ruled out completely could the pings be spoofed?
Part of a very sophisticated plan to mislead?


Remember the press coverage of the threat of a smartphone hacking the flight deck originated back in April last year and again in October 2013 in an article written by a tech consultant who explores how ACARS could in theory be used to "attack" on-board aircraft systems.

Aviation Security - FMS exploitation over ACARS - n.runs security team

The main idea for the FMS exploitation is to send some malformed data to the FMS, via ACARS, that triggers a vulnerability on the parsing code allowing us to execute arbitrary code. If the vulnerability used is the appropriate, it will be triggered before the pilot has to perform any action and the full attack can be therefore remote and straight forward.


Our motivation is to help the affected industry to improve the security of their products. We strongly believe in responsible disclosure and we and act accordingly.

n.runs professionals was founded in 2001 as a competent provider of manufacturer-independent IT.Security, IT.Infrastructure, IT.Business Consulting services.
A few days ago they made this statement;
We would like to clarify that it is highly unlikely that, whatever happened to this flight, had anything to do with any form of cyber-attack against its systems.

"Highly unlikely" doesn't quite close the door on it being totally implausible:eek:, but my point is not that this flight was hacked and controlled by remote control but to pose a question, could the pings like other tech that is non military and electronic, be spoofed?

Probably too convoluted to be manage by a one man band?

EASA, FAA and Rockwall Collins state that Hugo's bench tests are not analogous to testing using certified equipment.
Researcher Says He's Found Hackable Flaws In Airplanes' Navigation Systems (Update: The FAA Disagrees) - Forbes


Then there is the concept of GPS spoofing. If a marine nav system can be spoofed with a briefcase sized transmitter, so too could an aviation system??

Plane satellite image uncovered
 

... the image was captured just above a forest and very close to the Shibpur air strip of Andaman Islands.

And the very clear brightly lit by sunlight image it is (also notice the white clouds) ML370 went AWOL at night:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Somebody at the UN is dreaming...that they think they can detect an airplane crashing into the Indian Ocean is laughable. Land, maybe, ocean not a chance in hell.

Plane satellite image uncovered - asia - world | Stuff.co.nz

If that is a 737-type image somewhere near Shibpur, then it could easily be one of the Indian Navy's new P-8I Neptunes.

Cellphones with a satellite link? They call home from the top of Mount Everest, don't they?

Ex mil pilots can ignore this.
 

I really HAVE to say something about hypoxia.
If you are involved in a decompression at altitude you will NOT feel dizzy, ill or euphoric. You will become unconscious without realising anything is wrong with you.
You absolutely MUST get the oxygen mask on immediately it drops and you MUST fit yours before assisting the kids.

Actually the last signals were after sunrise in the Andamans.

It would seem to be difficult, since you'd need to time the reply correctly if you wanted to tell a story in this very esoteric way. If you're using a similar set of machinery it would have to be closer to the satellite than the signal you're trying to spoof.

Sleemanj,

That image isn't recent. It goes back to at least 2012.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/mh3...pbox-map.3304/

other ping rings
 

A number of previous posts have mentioned that only the last ping was recorded. obviously if the previous pings were available the track would have be plotted instantly -days ago!.

There are pictures of aircraft in flight all over Google Earth. They usually move between the color scans, so you get weird things like that.

Seeing signs?

Detecting 100-tons of fuel burning quickly?

It would be a tough job for a pressure detector.

It might show up in an infrared detector scanning for missile launches, although it would be a short track.

If the aircraft was over the ocean, then ocean surveillance radar constellations sweeping overhead should perhaps have seen something from it, although it's moving faster than they would be expecting, and they're probably not going to want to detect aircraft if they can help it.

Basil, You are correct. Pilots in PNG used it to quieten unruly highlanders on long flights to Moresby in unpressurised aircraft. Take it to 17 - 18 thousand and the pax go to sleep.
If the 777 did go to 40 - 45 thousand for a few minutes, whilst unpressurised, anyone not on oxygen would probably be dead.
As far as where the 777 is right now, the only certainty: - it is not in the air.
Prayers for the pax and families.

@Heli-phile

Didn't someone post a comment earlier today saying the 7:11 ping had also been tracked and was "near" 40 degrees, whereas the 8:11 ping was actually "on" it?

That white image of the aeroplane is a 737. Check the wing sweep and engine positioning. Wave the Bullsh1t flag...again. :cool:

The Malaysians' trust in the US may be ebbing as many of the recent stories come from 'US sources', i.e. leaks, and are critical of the Malaysians.
If there is sensitive data you really need to know it's not going to go any further.

The Malaysians may be thinking, 'You're going to blame either our pilots, procedures, or maintenance instead of your US-made aircraft, why should we work with you?'

Would you want to work with someone who may not be able to help, and could just stab you in the back, repeatedly? Then insist that you are to blame as their investigative bodies may conclude (e.g. Egyptair)?

(During one of the investigations I worked on several years ago, a copy of a request for information to a US state containing many sensitive details was uploaded to the state's public online library and made available for all to view. The state refused to remove it . It made relationships rather frosty.)

other Ping Rings
 

Yes. I'm just asking for journalists reading this, to do their job and ask Hisham Hishammudin, Minister of Transport etc etc to answer the question at the next press conference, "Can we have the angle of the previous 'ping rings' pls"?

You might want to read the CVR transcript from the EgyptAir990 mishap.