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Pontius Navigator 16th Mar 2014 21:39


Originally Posted by gazumped (Post 8381716)
I think you may find crew oxy has 3 selections, Normal, 100%, and Emergency.

If this is standard, I expect this is:

Normal - oxygen/air mix to maintain at equivalent to 10,000ft.

100% - no air mix in the event of loss of cabin pressure - 2mm overpressure to ensure a good supply

Emergency - 4mm pressure in the event of smoke and fumes. It is not true pressure breathing which would be up to 30mm.

ATCNetwork 16th Mar 2014 21:40

Would be great if you could see a summary of the actual facts on these 242 pages of posts.

Cassini 16th Mar 2014 21:40

...
 
Every flight simulator enthusiast with good add-on have sufficient knowledge to reprogram fms with new waipoints.

Gamebeater 16th Mar 2014 21:43

Associated Press Misinformation
 
Here is an example of the foolishness of the media in reporting on this matter. The Associated Press at 03/16/2014 12:14 am EDT says:

“The third indication is that that after the transponder was turned off and civilian radar lost track of the plane, Malaysian military radar was able to continue to track the plane as it turned west.
The plane was then tracked along a known flight route across the peninsula until it was several hundred miles (kilometers) offshore and beyond the range of military radar.”

What drivel. IGARI to VAMPI to GIVAL is hardly “a known flight route.” All you have to do is look at the aeronautical chart of the area to see that these waypoints are not connected by any airway. We can talk about GIVAL to IGREX by way of MAPSO and DUKUN on P628 but the bottom line is that the AP is full of it and adds to the confusion of the public.

bunk exceeder 16th Mar 2014 21:45

SARSAT/коспас seems not to have been mentioned. Why wouldn't it be able to pick up the 406 MHz ELT in a 777 were one to go off?

Juliet Tango Whiskey 16th Mar 2014 21:47

Below Radar?
 
The aircraft COULD have gone below radar afterpassing IGARI, but then the range would have been decreased at low altitude. :ugh:

ettore 16th Mar 2014 21:48

Bunk. I repeat it for you alone : Would you please cool down for a while on wild theories. We're talking about 239 souls. Thanks.

wdowell 16th Mar 2014 21:48


Originally Posted by harrogate (Post 8381718)
My favourite post so far is the one a few pages back that said "there's nothing complex or elaborate about his home flight sim setup".

http://www.sharelor.net/uploads/2/6/...63978_orig.jpg

Yeah. Looks pretty standard to me.

It's still almost certainly only FS with pmdg 777 add-on. The only difference is that he has a few monitors spread out (frankly I've seen better!) - it's not as glam as all that but has some attempt to making it spatially more accurate

trad 16th Mar 2014 21:49

MH370
 
Amazing that they are searching as far away as Kazakhstan, with several dangerous flyover areas, and not considering one of 3 airbases in S.E. Iran that has long runways and large hangars.

letsjet 16th Mar 2014 21:50

'Fanatical' missing Malaysia Airlines plane pilot pictured wearing political T-shirt | Mail Online

"It has also been revealed that the pilot's wife and three children moved out of the family home the day before the plane went missing."

Does anyone know if this has been confirmed or reported from another source?

500N 16th Mar 2014 21:53

letsjet

I'd take anything the DM says with a grain of salt - or a hundred grains.
Just the spin on that article when I read it a few hours ago was enough
to put me off, truth or no truth. They are character assassinating the pilot
with no real facts.

dicks-airbus 16th Mar 2014 21:54

Reading a few posts back the family situation was deemed not to be an issue. Also being at a political event on the day of the flight could be ruled out as what happened to MH370 can clearly not be called impulsive (imho).

VH-XXX 16th Mar 2014 21:54

READ this.

From 2 hours ago Nine news Australia is reporting that the pilots wife and children moved out the day before.

There's your "stressor."

'Obsessive' pilot pictured with political slogan

Andu 16th Mar 2014 21:55

The news media are making a big deal that "the pilot" acknowledged a frequency change some minutes after the ACARS was disabled.

However, they're not making a big deal that he did so with "roger that", (or similar), a phrase that many have said was unusual in the circumstances.

Has voice recognition proved that it was the Captain's or FO's voice that made that acknowledgement? I very much doubt it. It could have been - and in my opinion, quite likely was - someone other than either of the operating crew.

Blaming one or both of the pilots is too convenient - it absolves the authorities of many very uncomfortable and inconvenient implications that have the potential of gutting passenger bookings and costing airlines enormous sums in increased security procedures.

I for one am not buying it.

Iron Duck 16th Mar 2014 21:55

ettore
 

Bunk. I repeat it for you alone : Would you please cool down for a while on wild theories. We're talking about 239 souls. Thanks.
I have no wild theories. That's my point: nothing seems to fit; therefore, I think the current situation was unintended. However, with Occam as a guide, I still think it worth trying to deduce what might have been the original intention, because that may then indicate where to look.

oldoberon 16th Mar 2014 21:56

Can the inmarsat data be more accurate?
 
About 8 pages back EPPo posted today's update and says they had 6 pings that is basically 1 an hour after falling of milrad.
Please follow me through this.


If you look at the map by Volcanicash page 203 #4043 ( http://s8.postimg.org/ye87yekz9/isat.jpg )

Counting back that is 40, 45,50,55,60 65. He clearly could not have gotten that close to the centre of the elevation rings ,and still get to those final arcs, so he must have flown at tangent to them, My best guess is

1st ping 45 - west bound from final radar loss point
2nd ping 50 still west ish bound
3rd ping 55 still west ish bound
he then turns NW or SW
4th ping 50
5th ping 45
6th ping 40

and ended up on the north or south arc.

But there was a rush to the north (Andam sea) why?


Finally if you look at this link from Vinnie_boombatz p201 #4011
http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/media...-Obj4-hres.jpg


It shows the beaming arrangement of the I-4 series inmarsats (3 cover the world), there is wide beam (the whole area), a number of regional beams and finally the narrow beams. ( used I-3 diag for explanation purpose only)

To my knowledge the signals were picked up by the old I-3 sats which use 4 to cover the world and only have wide and regional beams.

As I understand the workings of the system the sat send a "hello anyone there" signal using the wide beam and if a reply is received it calculates the best regional beam to use transmits back to the response using the regional beam. Sat engineers pls confirm/correct.

The point of this post is to ask an expert if it can do that why don't we know a more accurate position ie a shorter arc based on the regional beam.

brika 16th Mar 2014 21:56

Wherefore art thou?
 

Originally Posted by flash8
Rupert Murdoch suspect the a/c in is Northern Pakistan. The guy may be loopy but could have a point.

Assuming a sophisticated hijack one would assume the a/c is on the ground somewhere now, dumping into the sea seems a rather odd statement

Facts:
1 This is terra firma

2 Unless you are a NASA space rocket in active launch mode, what goes up must come down

3 MTOW of MH370 is 297,550 kg.

4 Max range of a 777 200ER is 14,305 km (7,725 nautical miles)

5 largest dimensions of the T7 are 60.9 x 63.7 m

6 Hundreds of humans would know where it is – pax, ground/air crew, atc/radar controllers and so on

Logic says:

1 MH370 kissed terra firma well within the first day of its flight

2 MH370 either used the ocean or a hangar or a crowd of other parked planes to hide.

3 in the former scenario it may never be found. In the case of the latter, who is covering up?

Or am I the only one lost (other than MH370)?:confused:

rigbyrigz 16th Mar 2014 21:57

RE: "another source for story of pilot's wife and three children..."

At Singapore Seen | Family of MH370 captain moved out of home before disappearance

per this link, it seems that the MALAY MAIL interviewed the maid and determined the same fact (or rumor or news) that the Mirror reports.

Piper73 16th Mar 2014 22:03

Logic
 
In the military I can tell you that operations are generally Monday to Friday; this event occurred on the weekend which is the period of incompetence, including those learners monitoring radar, especially from areas not exactly known for their military prowess. Therefore most of this data and reporting needs to be treated with scepticism.
A hijacking usually is done to demand something using the lives of the passengers as collateral. If the hijacking was done to divert the cargo, it is highly unlikely that a somebody would sacrifice the lives of 200+ people purely for money, for a religion yes, but not asset gain.
The search should remain in the location where contact was lost.

Airbubba 16th Mar 2014 22:04


Perhaps those who fly in the area regularly (I do not) could 'rate' the quality of the ATC authorities in the area?
As pointed out by a previous poster here, the Yangon FIR appears to me to be conspicuously worse than the others as far as comms. Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh seem to have very good overwater communications in my experience. Singapore has the best ATC lah, those folks are great for taking you around the weather when they have you on radar. I sometimes have trouble understanding the Lumpur controllers, it may just be the accent.

However, this doesn't mean that the Burmese military side might not be awake and watching closely even though ATC will not answer.


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