Originally Posted by rigbyrigz
(Post 8381667)
Reuters March 14:
"The military track suggests it then turned sharply westwards, heading towards a waypoint called "Vampi", northeast of Indonesia's Aceh province and a navigational point used for planes following route N571 to the Middle East." ...not sure where poster suggesting right turn at IGARI got their info? Anyway, here is the text description of the behavior of MAS370 from Aviation Safety: The Boeing 777-2H6ER took off from Kuala Lumpur Interational Airport's runway 32R at 00:41 and climbed to a cruising altitude of FL350. Data of flight tracking website Flightradar24 show that the flight flew a 25° course towards the IGARI waypoint. Overhead IGARI, at 01:20, the flight changed course to 40°. Last contact recorded by Flightradar24 was at 01:20 at 175 km NNE off the Malaysian coast and 223 km SW off the Vietnamese coast, just within the Singapore FIR, 6 km northeast of IGARI. Malaysian officials reported that the civial radar lost contact at 01:30 at a position 2 km south of IGARI. |
Professional pilots should bear in mind that the MH370 S&R fiasco will likely result in the public's demanding changes. It might be wise for professional pilots to propose their own solution, rather than wait for governments and regulators to impose new rules. Perhaps the pilots' unions should propose that:
1. the automatic reporting system installed by the airframe manufacturer, which transmits data through the Inmarsat satellite system, be modified so that it sends a GPS position as well as hull data; 2. that the frequency of the Inmarsat reports be increased from every half-hour to, say, once every ten minutes; 3. that this reporting system be tied to the aircraft's main power bus (and thus placed outside human control); and 4. that the pilots' unions would pay the marginal cost which, at $2.00 per transmission, is not very much at all. This service would: 1. increase the difficulty of a third-party hijacking; 2. protect all pilots from the stain on them which may remain if the mystery of MH370 is never sorted out; and 3. provide much comfort to future passengers. |
Originally Posted by brika
(Post 8381637)
Yep, it is possible that with fatigue (and short temperateness, he could have made a monumental mistake by deciding to do something to the flight (and pax). A spur of the moment act thought through from 9:30pm to midnight?
This begs the question as to what he did with FO and pax? Further, what was the ultimate end of MH370 according to the captain's spur of the moment plan? |
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That leaves the outside job, from a group with resources, money and motive. Could that group be some political motivated group from inside or outside Malaysia to make some statement and do some damage (terror), or a criminal group with the intent to make money from the load and aircraft (crime)? 4. MH370 could have been hijacked with the intention to land it somewhere, for its load or for criminal or unknown political reasons. 5. Planning for such a landing needs wealthy, influential and powerful assistance, only states or state organizations can provide. Now look for somebody along the suspected flightpath with the power, the ability, the will and the recklessness for such a plan. Iran (IRGC -Quds Force)? -Difficult to see motive here unless to torpedo Iran-U.S detente discussions; the IRGC is not in favor Note info contained in early WSJ story when plane first went missing indicated one of the passengers was a Malaysian aircraft engineer |
Out of your 23x specimens in the back, there are at least 10 or so that will come back without permanent damage. Altitude tolerance is extremely individual. I don't think that's a risk I'd take Mickjoebill |
You only occupy either seat (L/R) , because of your PA . Pax don't get on board a remote. |
Heading Select
Barrel Owl - Push heading select dial the knob to your intended track and the aircraft turns, not sure if this is your question, used daily on every flight for vectors to avoid climbing or descending aircraft or delaying vectors
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What evidence do you have regarding which waypoints were entered in the FMC? I haven't heard anything like that. Just because the aircraft flew towards or over waypoints doesn't mean that they were entered in the FMC, right?
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barrel_owl,
Simples, the airway was loaded in the FMS, containing IGARI, BITOD....to Beijing. The FMS commanded the turn from 025 to 040 to follow the FMS plan; someone loads VAMPI,o follow BITOD, and makes VAMPI the new active waypoint, the plane turns westward into oblivion. Isn't this the Professional PILOTS Rumor Network? GF |
The last known Satellite 'ping' could have been received whilst the a/c was on the ground.
Rupert Murdoch suspect the a/c in is Northern Pakistan. The guy may be loopy but could have a point. Assuming a sophisticated hijack one would assume the a/c is on the ground somewhere now, dumping into the sea seems a rather odd statement to make, especially as it may never be found. |
FR24 shows it instantaneously change from FL35 to FL0 as 25 degrees change to 40. Not clear this right turn was a real turn, is it. More likely an anomally?
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Redmin888
I think you may find crew oxy has 3 selections, Normal, 100%, and Emergency. Pax oxy is via oxygen generators, duration 12 minutes, once activated. Crew oxy is supplied by actual oxygen bottles, duration depending on configuration, but usually oxy endurance runs into several hours.
Cheers Gaz |
My favourite post so far is the one a few pages back that said "there's nothing complex or elaborate about his home flight sim setup".
http://www.sharelor.net/uploads/2/6/...63978_orig.jpg Yeah. Looks pretty standard to me. |
Originally Posted by 510orbust
(Post 8381707)
Barrel Owl - Push heading select dial the knob to your intended track and the aircraft turns, not sure if this is your question, used daily on every flight for vectors to avoid climbing or descending aircraft or delaying vectors
Then, two questions: 1. If the FMC had been pre-programmed to follow to VAMPI after IGARI, as reported here, then why did the aircraft clearly turned right, as headed for BITOD? 2. If the cockpit intended to hijack the aircraft after IGARI and make a straight left-turn following navigation points in manual without following the original flight plan stored in the FMC, then why should they care to insert a change in the FMC after IGARI? Sorry, but this report that the left turn had been pre-programmed in the FMC and reported in the ACARS log before 1:07 makes no sense to me. |
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 8381712)
barrel_owl,
Simples, the airway was loaded in the FMS, containing IGARI, BITOD....to Beijing. The FMS commanded the turn from 025 to 040 to follow the FMS plan; someone loads VAMPI,o follow BITOD, and makes VAMPI the new active waypoint, the plane turns westward into oblivion. Isn't this the Professional PILOTS Rumor Network? GF |
Or programmed a course correction to 40 degrees THEN left?
But I see the good point. Here is the ABC NEWS quote reported extensively: "Adding to the intrigue, ABC News reported that the dramatic left turn was preprogrammed into the plane's navigation computer. It's a task that would have required extensive piloting experience. Two senior law enforcement officials also told ABC that new information revealed the plane performed "tactical evasion maneuvers" after it disappeared from radar. CNN was unable to confirm these reports." ?? |
rigby
Adding to my theory it was shot down
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Originally Posted by rigbyrigz
(Post 8381738)
Or programmed a course correction to 40 degrees THEN left?
But I see the good point. Here is the ABC NEWS quote reported extensively: "Adding to the intrigue, ABC News reported that the dramatic left turn was preprogrammed into the plane's navigation computer. It's a task that would have required extensive piloting experience. Two senior law enforcement officials also told ABC that new information revealed the plane performed "tactical evasion maneuvers" after it disappeared from radar. CNN was unable to confirm these reports." |
Yes. "Unable" means unable. So, please, would you cool down for a while on wild theories. We're talking about 239 souls.Thanks.
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gazumped
On 777 oxygen generators are not use for the pax. For the passengers on the 777, O2 are off a gaseous ring main which comprise of 12 to 16, 115cu bottles in the aft cargo bay sidewall. The flight crew has their own 115 cu bottle in the MEC |
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