It has been reported. Where? Who? Who verified the report? Not you, for sure.
At least four or five out of your 22 posts suggest foul play by the cockpit, all based on unverified reports and information. Just because the media said so, it does not mean it is so.
Tell me. Are you obsessed with pilots in general or is it part of your agenda to destroy the reputation of these two people?
Don't worry, anyway. I am sure this post will be deleted, but yours will be kept for the world to see.

Well, yes, I imagine that may help in some cases...

BUT - unfortunately there is no reliable test for sanity.

Diego Garcia
 

Large new permanent and fabric hangars at Diego Garcia, big enough for B52s - Google Earth, 2014 imagery.

If (big if) it turns out that one of the pilots or crew committed an act of murder/suicide, and it wasn't a political act, we need to be very careful about what that means or what we should do about it. Despite the publicity these events generate, mass murder is exceedingly rare.

So far we have avoided putting security inspection into malls, theaters, schools (mostly), and I would hope that common sense can prevail here.

There are usually no conclusions to be drawn in these events. To quote the New Yorker: The problem with generalities about mass murderers is that the sample size is tiny, and most die before they can be examined. Almost half of all mass murderers commit suicide in the act, and many others are killed by police.

Calm down. Investigation is underway. Leaks can happen but as the subject of your angry reply had said, may or may not be true. By the way, hipothsis are about one pilot's actions, not two. And finding truth is more important that preserving reputation, hope you will agree.

As with the AF447 saga, there are some very bright and well-informed people both on this excellent blog and involved in the search, analysis and information release. I have great faith that all of the obvious scenarios are under intense scrutiny, but have laid in a bunch more popcorn.

From the imdb link posted in the earlier message, on the 'Trivia' page:

Similarly, Tom Wolfe disowned the movie version of 'The Right Stuff'.

However, the threat of a liquid spill in the cockpit is very real in my view (though not necessarily a player with MH 370). Some crewmembers insist on using the center console for a dining table, drink tray and reading desk all at the same time. Bulletins about passing drinks outboard to folks in the pilot seats have been issued for at least two decades, probably longer.

There are drip guards and such to protect the avionics under the flight deck but I still wince at that tall cup of Starbucks precariously perched on buttons next to the, uh, transponder control head and engine fuel cutoffs.

One thing verified by the latest press conference in K.L. is that MAS ran the profile of MH 370 in the company simulator to see how it fit with the reported data.

Also, the arcs of probability from the last Inmarsat ping were independently verified by both the Brits and the Americans according to the acting transport minister.

Actually I'm commenting on developing events instead of focusing on things that have been ruled out.

I certainly haven't created anything. I have no vested interest in either protecting pilots or in slating them without any thought.

It may be a bitter pill to swallow that 'one of your own' may be the culprit.

I apologise if this is too difficult for you to stomach and I'd be happy to sit back and watch some desperately scrounge around for technical fault reasons that will, in the end, have had nothing to do with this...

Those hangars on DG on Google Earth don't look big enough even for the B-52's parked right next to them.

US intelligence fears the plane may have landed somewhere to be used later as a 9/11-
 

US intelligence fears the plane may have landed somewhere to be used later as a 9/11-style "cruise missile".

Missing Plane 'May Have Sent Signals On Ground'

Admittedly the Malaysian military radar operators did not bring their top game to the 0 dark 30 shift -- and yes, targeting assets to the T7 when it was still in range might have shed more light on the situation.

But remember that an interceptor has limited range and would have to head back home for gas.

Something with longer range would have to be dispatched, but most maritime patrol aircraft are turboprops and at best could only hope to pick up a blip receding at max range. However an interceptor or patrol aircraft might possibly have given us a track to work from.

With that track, other countries could have been put on a timely alert along with some indication of where the T7 would be.

The SAR authorities have been doing their best with very limited information. It took several days for the engineers to develop arcs from the 8:11 ping.

Perhaps it takes that much more time to work out arcs from the earlier pings, but yes, we would like to see all of them. Once those arcs are produced, there's a bunch more work to work out possible courses. It would not surprise me if some heavily caffeinated programmers are busy developing and testing code.

On a personal note, I had once developed some code to speed up transaction rates in a pseudo-reentrant environment. The first test in a single thread environment worked and I went off on an extended weekend to hear on return from my supervisor that my new code was in production.

I immediately told him that the multi thread test had not been done. We held our breath waiting to see if Data Control found the transaction counts off at the end of the day.

They did not complain -- because the person who did the check was off work. A few days later customers began complaining that their deposits had been lost. A few seeing that their large withdrawal had not been posted helped themselves to the extra money and were not seen again:E

Lots of holes in the Swiss cheese anytime there's a complex human endeavor.

MPN11 said...

The 'pings' were covered in today's (Sunday) press conference. 6 handshake signals provided by Inmarsat, data analysed by independent teams from the US and UK, both teams arrived at the same conclusion regarding the final ping location arcs which resulted in the diagram and associated information released yesterday.

Sounds pretty rigorous to me.

Light reaction to terror possibility
 

Isn't the overt response of the US and other possible target nations (India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, China etc) extremely muted to the possibility, no matter how remote, that terrorists somewhere just might have a 777 in their posession?

I am pretty sure that from reading air accident reports over the years there have been more mistaken judgments of pilot error that the reverse.

The last we;; known ones was the chinook that crashed enroute Ni to Scotland, it took years to clear the pilots even to the point it looked like a cover up of known technical defect/deficiencies.

Certainly was a time that rather than have unexplained accidents it was decalaed as pilot error.

I've been wondering if the reason we've only seen the "arc" for the supposed final ping is because a prior ping had exactly the same "arc". Suggesting the plane was on the ground for at least an hour if so.

Also I wonder if there's enough info anywhere to get doppler shift on the received signal. If not from the Inmarsat satellite then perhaps some less spoken about assets.

What lies behind these references to hangars on Diego Garcia?
Are people here suggesting that the US has engineered a kidnapping/hijacking and is now hiding the aircraft in a USAF base??

What are you people smoking?

With a president who talks loudly and carries a big feather
who cant even protect innocent civilians being slaughtered wholesale
you suggest that they have done something as evil as this?

Is it sheer stupidity or just abuse of hallucinogenic chemicals?

So much Speculation
 

Based on the pinging. I've read this whole thread over the days, and haven't commented because I'm not a pilot, just a retired ATC (28years).

I want to say too much weight , in my opinion , is being given to the pinging and radar track(s). A lot of room for misinterpretation of data.

None of the suicide stuff makes any sense. A coordinated takeover is improbable because of what do you do with the acft once you have it? If they're so smart to think of everything, why not just steal a plane off a ramp? It happens a lot. A smaller group of people involved for something like that and they could fly wherever, on legitimate FP and no one would know and they could use it for whatever.

On the tech side, avionics/electronics have been shown to do weird stuff when shorting out or on fire. Humans do odd things when hypoxic, especially if not aware. Confusion, smoke, who knows. I am NOT surprised at ALL that no contact with ATC was made if difficultly arose. You pilots don't do that. In my experience, I never had a ATP tell me about jack until they were way down the decision/action list.

It is natural I guess, but it is a shame this crew are being speculated about on such iffy evidence and extremely doubtful data. The Maylasian Government info is dubious. Too many factors. I think it is possible this one will be unsolved until/unless debri/bodies found. And I lean towards catastrophic inflight incident; fire, decompression, who knows.

Mods; feel free to delete. I just wanted to weigh in.

Last night Indian newspapers suggested not all radar units were "awake" (I posted a link). The longer this sad, sorry affair goes on the harder it feels to accept any official statement on face value. I am not usually paranoid, but there is a feeling of "positioning" about this, at a level much higher than pax and crew.

wild goose

Trick is to filter out the BS.


Don't reply or acknowledge, it only empower's them.

If the transponder was not accessible from the cockpit then how would the pilots enter the squawk - I had around 4 different squawks coming back from China last night and how would they ident when asked by ATC?
Would that B777 have Sat phones or internet aboard for PAX use - surely if a hijack was the case someone would have made a call. If it landed somewhere, someone would have got a phone signal. My phone often gets a signal below FL80 if i forget to turn it off.
Could a hostie have been last person alive, like the Helios 737 depresurisation, have been trying to tune a radio to request help and accidentally turned off the XPNDR? Knocked he controls and sent it off course
How much fuel was ordered? Flight Plan fuel or a load more to take it somewhere? If you were going to Hijack your own A/C then surely you'd take more fuel?