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Many thanks for that, it doesn't appear she is on it so hopefully she got an earlier flight.
I didn't know you could get a pax list like that. It has certainly eased my concerns some.

News reports talk about 3'rd attempt to land and accident occurring at 3rd go around. How extraordinary would one interpret the chain of events, if this is true?

I'm baffled.

Aircraft debris spread around large area suggests a high speed impact.

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Mongolf

Only one go around was initiated and aircraft came in contact with ground on go around.

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A two engine go-around in the B737 can, for a number of reasons, turn into a complete balls-up, much dependent upon the pressing (or not) of various buttons and / or the movement (or not) of various levers!

500m before THR the crew reports to ATC "no landing configuration". Probably some system was not prepared - the crew dont say what.

After that, already above RWY, the crew requests for GA. The plane flew approx 1km above RWY and than it hits the ground by its nose.

one of the problems, besides the tragedy itself, is the poor translations.


could it be the crew wasn't in the configuration really means: they couldn't get the landing gear down?

and while screwing around trying to get the gear down, someone forgot to fly the plane first and stalled?

(all recall eastern airlines L1011).

and maybe the shaking reported by passengers on previous flight was a flap problem that only showed itself in a lowered flap configuration...and that instead of a gear problem it was a flap problem?



again, language makes me speculate to the above

Yes I suppose was a silly thing to put, passengers from the flight to Moscow earlier in the day reported strong vibrations before landing then a very hard landing. But on a 23 year old aircraft vibrations and rattles can be quite common I'd of thought

Several Swedish news report third go around attempt, when crash occur. It seems to be "over the top" to me.

I have to assume that PPRuNe is more correct in the details.

regarding older planes and shaking


I had the pleasure of flying some older transport jets, but they were exceptionally well maintained and didn't shake or rattle.

its all about spending the money on maintenace of planes, training of pilots


money...its the answer to the question of why did this, or any, plane crash?

2 years ago that same airline let 6 passengers travel on foot on a nearly 5 hour flight because of overbooking.

more a flat impact than high speed. Of course everything is relative. So far I don't see a clue in this as yet.

With little else to go on that would surely come up high on the list.
There maybe been an asymmetry problem that occurred on previous flight due to a broken part that just got reset or did not show itself on the ground with no loading and inadequate inspection.

Suddenly losing a flap panel during extension somewhere between 0 and 25 would cause some serious control issues without time to recover that close to terra firma.

Only speculation of course.

Vertigo? Acceleration causing vertigo resulting in crashes just past the departure end of the runway was a known factor in IMC fighter departures/go-arounds.

Do not know if it is applicable in this case, but the quickest way to plant an aircraft on its nose is to lose control in the roll direction-for whatever cause.

You would have to work hard to stuff the nose down on an accelerating aircraft that does not autotrim.

There seem to be somewhat larger pieces of the tail section visible in one of the night photos I've seen. Most everything else visible is broken up pretty well.

The phrase "непосадочное положение" (non-landing position if translated literally) simply means they were not lined up correctly (too low too high off to the left/right)