Russian B737 Crash at Kazan.
 

@SkyNewsBreak: AFP: Russian news agencies say a Boeing plane has crashed in Russia killing 44 people

B737 crash at KZN
 

Has anybody heard any further news of this?

B737 crashed at Kazan International Airport, Tartarstan, Russia at 15:25z today. 44 feared dead. No carrier named but flight op from DME.

44 feared dead as passenger jet crashes in central Russia ? RT News

After two go-arounds, on 3rd attempt.... (Roumors) :-(

737-500 from Tatarstan

From the flight boards it looks like the only 73 operating in that arrival window is a B735 operating a codeshare flight as AK BARS AERO flight 2B 363 / Tartarstan Aircompany U9 363

UWKD 171600Z 24008G12MPS 5000 -RASN OVC008 03/03 Q0993 R29/2/0055 NOSIG RMK QFE734/0978
UWKD 171530Z 23008G11MPS 5000 -RASN OVC007 03/03 Q0993 R29/2/0055 NOSIG RMK QFE734/0979


VQ-BBN Tatarstan Air Boeing 737-53A - cn 24785 / ln 1882 - Planespotters.net Just Aviation

6 crew + 44 PAX

Russian B737 Crash at Kazan.
 

Fifty-two people died as a passenger Boeing crashed while landing in the city of Kazan in central Russia on Saturday, according to the Emergencies Ministry.

The passenger aircraft Boeing 737-400 operated by the regional Tatarstan airline exploded after crash-landing in the airport of Kazan at 15:25 GMT, according to Interfax. The flight was coming from Moscow Domodedovo airport.

Reports of casualties vary. According to a spokeswoman from the Emergencies Ministry, 52 people were on board the plane and all are feared dead. Another report from the Federal Air Transport Agency said that 50 people - including six crew members - were on board, all of whom were killed.


The plane caught on fire after the crash landing. The flames were extinguished one hour into the disaster, ITAR-TASS reported.

An emergency services source told Interfax that the pilots made a mistake when entering the second lap, causing the plane to crash. However, the source added that there is a possibility that it was a technical failure.

The Federal Air Transport Agency, on its behalf, said the plane attempted to land three times before crashing.

All the forces of the Volga Regional Emergency Center are on high alert.

RT has, as you would expect, much on this but one of their correspondents is already promoting the "crew error" line - no doubt being fed it by their sources but nonetheless a little "early" to push a certain line when the bodies are not even cold. A quick listen seems to show an otherwise fairish line being taken by the male programme lead.

Weather initially not thought to be at fault, claims the channel, some mixed messages about explosion etc but as everyone knows, most initial reports are garbled with such incidents.

confirmed dead 46 pax + 6 crew members :(

соrrection - 44 pax + 6 crew

People, before launching into print could you please do yourself (and us all) a favour and check some basic facts:

Fact #1: Sunset today in Kazan was at 16:33 local time (in Kazan).

Fact #2: The crash is reported to have occurred at 19:25 local time (in Kazan).

Conclusion: The crash occurred approximately 3 hours after the sun had set, i.e. it was pitch :mad: dark,... and so, at this point in time, posting pics & videos of (other) events, shown in day time, could not possibly be of this event, could they? doh!!!

Lord give me strength !!! :ugh:

And speaking of facts, and fwiw, I've just had a look at my (Lido) Instrument Approach Charts for Kazan (KZN/UWKD) - it's a destination that I also fly to/from - and it shows the following minima for a Cat C aircraft:
Runway 11:

• ILS DME: DH = 200 ft HAT / 550m RVR or 800m visibility.
• VOR DME: MDA = 290 ft HAT / 750m visibility.
• RNAV GNSS (LNAV): MDA = 340 ft HAT / 800m visibility.
• NDB (BL) DME (KZN): MDA = 450 ft HAT / 1,400m visibility.
• NDB (BL): MDA = 510 ft HAT / 1,600m visibility.

Runway 29:

• ILS DME: DH = 200 ft HAT / 550m RVR or 800m visibility.
• VOR DME: MDA = 340 ft HAT / 800m visibility.
• RNAV GNSS (LNAV): MDA = 450 ft HAT / 1,400m visibility.
• NDB (BL) DME (KZN): MDA = 450 ft HAT / 1,400m visibility.
• NDB (AM) DME (KZN): MDA = 450 ft HAT / 1,400m visibility.

All the above instrument approach angles are based upon 3º (aside from the R11 VOR DME which is 3.1º). All the approaches are directly aligned with the relevant runway QDM, and the final descent from the platform altitude occurs at 3.9 Nm (from the threshold of the respective touchdown end) for all the instrument approach types. Imho, from an instrument approach perspective, there's nothing of note, i.e. any of those approaches should be a veritable 'no-brainer'.

In practical terms, if following a 3º descent profile, and with the cloud ceiling reported as 700 ft, they should have been able to see the runway lights when approximately 2Nm from touchdown; and especially that the Met Visibility (5,000m) equates to 2.7 Nm (and also remembering that it's night time, so the Met Vis could be factored as x2). I.e. once they came out of the base of the cloud, they should have been able to see the runway lights in front of them and they would still have approximately 1 Nm to fly (and continue descending) until they reached the MDA of either of the VOR approaches, and even further still to reach the DH position of either of the ILS's.

Given the METAR at the supposed time of the crash, the weather seems far from being limiting and, as far as I can tell, a trawl through the NOTAMS for Kazan does not suggest any known outages of the approach aids, though it is now showing the airfield as being closed:

...and there is an ILS on both 11 and 29.

OKC the only pics I can see ARE in the dark.

fergin - OKC refers to the fact that some buffoons had posted the video of the 747 freighter crash in crash at Bagram. - now removed.

http://i43.tinypic.com/15yw87d.jpg

Says something like:
"I was a passenger of the flight on the very same plane 4 hours before, from Kazan to Moscow. Don't let those :mad: fool you that it was weather related or a pilot mistake, the airplane was broken, we almost crashed on landing at moscow."

If it was apparent it was broken surely they wouldn't have taken off again :/

kuzukuzu,

it is enough that russian media is spreading tons of this BS, I don't think there is a reason to repost it here...
I remember, last time when Perm 737 crashed, they were talking about broken planes, wings and engines set on fire, and about how old the plane was and about terrorist act, and about conspiracies....
:ugh:

My step daughter may have been on that flight.

What country we are talking about?
Just check the passengers list (link).

on one of russian aviation groups (in vk.ru based group) there is a picture of a passenger list although I can't confirm that it is the one.

passenger list

According to latest news - pilots reported aircraft not being in "landing configuration" approx 4km away from runway. A go around was initiated by pilots and reported to controller as controller clearly marked time for a go around to be 19:24. Two minutes later while a go around manuevre the aircraft came in contact with ground and exploded.

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Btw dew point was reported to be -2C'.

eu01
Many thanks for that, it doesn't appear she is on it so hopefully she got an earlier flight.
I didn't know you could get a pax list like that. It has certainly eased my concerns some.

News reports talk about 3'rd attempt to land and accident occurring at 3rd go around. How extraordinary would one interpret the chain of events, if this is true?

I'm baffled.

Aircraft debris spread around large area suggests a high speed impact.

http://s11.postimg.org/4ll1zx9wf/image.jpg

Mongolf

Only one go around was initiated and aircraft came in contact with ground on go around.

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A two engine go-around in the B737 can, for a number of reasons, turn into a complete balls-up, much dependent upon the pressing (or not) of various buttons and / or the movement (or not) of various levers!

500m before THR the crew reports to ATC "no landing configuration". Probably some system was not prepared - the crew dont say what.

After that, already above RWY, the crew requests for GA. The plane flew approx 1km above RWY and than it hits the ground by its nose.

one of the problems, besides the tragedy itself, is the poor translations.


could it be the crew wasn't in the configuration really means: they couldn't get the landing gear down?

and while screwing around trying to get the gear down, someone forgot to fly the plane first and stalled?

(all recall eastern airlines L1011).

and maybe the shaking reported by passengers on previous flight was a flap problem that only showed itself in a lowered flap configuration...and that instead of a gear problem it was a flap problem?



again, language makes me speculate to the above

Yes I suppose was a silly thing to put, passengers from the flight to Moscow earlier in the day reported strong vibrations before landing then a very hard landing. But on a 23 year old aircraft vibrations and rattles can be quite common I'd of thought

Several Swedish news report third go around attempt, when crash occur. It seems to be "over the top" to me.

I have to assume that PPRuNe is more correct in the details.

regarding older planes and shaking


I had the pleasure of flying some older transport jets, but they were exceptionally well maintained and didn't shake or rattle.

its all about spending the money on maintenace of planes, training of pilots


money...its the answer to the question of why did this, or any, plane crash?

2 years ago that same airline let 6 passengers travel on foot on a nearly 5 hour flight because of overbooking.

more a flat impact than high speed. Of course everything is relative. So far I don't see a clue in this as yet.

With little else to go on that would surely come up high on the list.
There maybe been an asymmetry problem that occurred on previous flight due to a broken part that just got reset or did not show itself on the ground with no loading and inadequate inspection.

Suddenly losing a flap panel during extension somewhere between 0 and 25 would cause some serious control issues without time to recover that close to terra firma.

Only speculation of course.

Vertigo? Acceleration causing vertigo resulting in crashes just past the departure end of the runway was a known factor in IMC fighter departures/go-arounds.

Do not know if it is applicable in this case, but the quickest way to plant an aircraft on its nose is to lose control in the roll direction-for whatever cause.

You would have to work hard to stuff the nose down on an accelerating aircraft that does not autotrim.

There seem to be somewhat larger pieces of the tail section visible in one of the night photos I've seen. Most everything else visible is broken up pretty well.

The phrase "непосадочное положение" (non-landing position if translated literally) simply means they were not lined up correctly (too low too high off to the left/right)