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Russian B737 Crash at Kazan.

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Russian B737 Crash at Kazan.

@SkyNewsBreak: AFP: Russian news agencies say a Boeing plane has crashed in Russia killing 44 people
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B737 crash at KZN

Has anybody heard any further news of this?

B737 crashed at Kazan International Airport, Tartarstan, Russia at 15:25z today. 44 feared dead. No carrier named but flight op from DME.

44 feared dead as passenger jet crashes in central Russia ? RT News
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After two go-arounds, on 3rd attempt.... (Roumors) :-(
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737-500 from Tatarstan
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From the flight boards it looks like the only 73 operating in that arrival window is a B735 operating a codeshare flight as AK BARS AERO flight 2B 363 / Tartarstan Aircompany U9 363
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UWKD 171600Z 24008G12MPS 5000 -RASN OVC008 03/03 Q0993 R29/2/0055 NOSIG RMK QFE734/0978
UWKD 171530Z 23008G11MPS 5000 -RASN OVC007 03/03 Q0993 R29/2/0055 NOSIG RMK QFE734/0979


VQ-BBN Tatarstan Air Boeing 737-53A - cn 24785 / ln 1882 - Planespotters.net Just Aviation

6 crew + 44 PAX
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Russian B737 Crash at Kazan.

Fifty-two people died as a passenger Boeing crashed while landing in the city of Kazan in central Russia on Saturday, according to the Emergencies Ministry.

The passenger aircraft Boeing 737-400 operated by the regional Tatarstan airline exploded after crash-landing in the airport of Kazan at 15:25 GMT, according to Interfax. The flight was coming from Moscow Domodedovo airport.

Reports of casualties vary. According to a spokeswoman from the Emergencies Ministry, 52 people were on board the plane and all are feared dead. Another report from the Federal Air Transport Agency said that 50 people - including six crew members - were on board, all of whom were killed.


The plane caught on fire after the crash landing. The flames were extinguished one hour into the disaster, ITAR-TASS reported.

An emergency services source told Interfax that the pilots made a mistake when entering the second lap, causing the plane to crash. However, the source added that there is a possibility that it was a technical failure.

The Federal Air Transport Agency, on its behalf, said the plane attempted to land three times before crashing.

All the forces of the Volga Regional Emergency Center are on high alert.
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RT has, as you would expect, much on this but one of their correspondents is already promoting the "crew error" line - no doubt being fed it by their sources but nonetheless a little "early" to push a certain line when the bodies are not even cold. A quick listen seems to show an otherwise fairish line being taken by the male programme lead.

Weather initially not thought to be at fault, claims the channel, some mixed messages about explosion etc but as everyone knows, most initial reports are garbled with such incidents.
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confirmed dead 46 pax + 6 crew members

соrrection - 44 pax + 6 crew
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People, before launching into print could you please do yourself (and us all) a favour and check some basic facts:

Fact #1: Sunset today in Kazan was at 16:33 local time (in Kazan).

Fact #2: The crash is reported to have occurred at 19:25 local time (in Kazan).

Conclusion: The crash occurred approximately 3 hours after the sun had set, i.e. it was pitch dark,... and so, at this point in time, posting pics & videos of (other) events, shown in day time, could not possibly be of this event, could they? doh!!!

Lord give me strength !!!

And speaking of facts, and fwiw, I've just had a look at my (Lido) Instrument Approach Charts for Kazan (KZN/UWKD) - it's a destination that I also fly to/from - and it shows the following minima for a Cat C aircraft:
nb. HAT = Height Above Threshold
Runway 11:
  • ILS DME: DH = 200 ft HAT / 550m RVR or 800m visibility.
  • VOR DME: MDA = 290 ft HAT / 750m visibility.
  • RNAV GNSS (LNAV): MDA = 340 ft HAT / 800m visibility.
  • NDB (BL) DME (KZN): MDA = 450 ft HAT / 1,400m visibility.
  • NDB (BL): MDA = 510 ft HAT / 1,600m visibility.
Runway 29:
  • ILS DME: DH = 200 ft HAT / 550m RVR or 800m visibility.
  • VOR DME: MDA = 340 ft HAT / 800m visibility.
  • RNAV GNSS (LNAV): MDA = 450 ft HAT / 1,400m visibility.
  • NDB (BL) DME (KZN): MDA = 450 ft HAT / 1,400m visibility.
  • NDB (AM) DME (KZN): MDA = 450 ft HAT / 1,400m visibility.
All the above instrument approach angles are based upon 3 (aside from the R11 VOR DME which is 3.1). All the approaches are directly aligned with the relevant runway QDM, and the final descent from the platform altitude occurs at 3.9 Nm (from the threshold of the respective touchdown end) for all the instrument approach types. Imho, from an instrument approach perspective, there's nothing of note, i.e. any of those approaches should be a veritable 'no-brainer'.

In practical terms, if following a 3 descent profile, and with the cloud ceiling reported as 700 ft, they should have been able to see the runway lights when approximately 2Nm from touchdown; and especially that the Met Visibility (5,000m) equates to 2.7 Nm (and also remembering that it's night time, so the Met Vis could be factored as x2). I.e. once they came out of the base of the cloud, they should have been able to see the runway lights in front of them and they would still have approximately 1 Nm to fly (and continue descending) until they reached the MDA of either of the VOR approaches, and even further still to reach the DH position of either of the ILS's.

Given the METAR at the supposed time of the crash, the weather seems far from being limiting and, as far as I can tell, a trawl through the NOTAMS for Kazan does not suggest any known outages of the approach aids, though it is now showing the airfield as being closed:
A4677/13 NOTAMN
Q) UWKD/QFALC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5536N04917E005
A) UWKD B) 1311171820 C) 1311180800
E) AD CLSD DUE TO TECR

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...and there is an ILS on both 11 and 29.
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OKC the only pics I can see ARE in the dark.
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fergin - OKC refers to the fact that some buffoons had posted the video of the 747 freighter crash in crash at Bagram. - now removed.
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Says something like:
"I was a passenger of the flight on the very same plane 4 hours before, from Kazan to Moscow. Don't let those fool you that it was weather related or a pilot mistake, the airplane was broken, we almost crashed on landing at moscow."
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If it was apparent it was broken surely they wouldn't have taken off again :/
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kuzukuzu,

it is enough that russian media is spreading tons of this BS, I don't think there is a reason to repost it here...
I remember, last time when Perm 737 crashed, they were talking about broken planes, wings and engines set on fire, and about how old the plane was and about terrorist act, and about conspiracies....
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My step daughter may have been on that flight.
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Originally Posted by NickBarnes
If it was apparent it was broken surely they wouldn't have taken off again :/
What country we are talking about?
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My step daughter may have been on that flight.
Just check the passengers list (link).
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on one of russian aviation groups (in vk.ru based group) there is a picture of a passenger list although I can't confirm that it is the one.

passenger list

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According to latest news - pilots reported aircraft not being in "landing configuration" approx 4km away from runway. A go around was initiated by pilots and reported to controller as controller clearly marked time for a go around to be 19:24. Two minutes later while a go around manuevre the aircraft came in contact with ground and exploded.

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Btw dew point was reported to be -2C'.
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