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easyjet pilots to strike??

Old 9th Jan 2003, 10:00
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easyjet pilots to strike??

A formal" failure to agree" notice has been served at easyjet by the pilot union BALPA over pay and rostering negotiations which have been ongoing since last April. Whilst management have awarded themselves 10 million in bonuses, pilots are still negotiating a pay rise for last year and are having to put up with the most horrendous working practices in the industry. A private internet site is polling pilots if the working conditions are affecting their home life, which is a measure of just how bad things have become. The next step is to be face to face comminication with the CEO, Ray Webster before a ballot on strike action. Easyjet prides itself in its company culture ethos of being "fun to work for". It seems the fun went about the same time as the IPO. What a strike will do to the share price is obvious. My question is , is the CEO acting in the interest of the share holders by going down this road?
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Old 9th Jan 2003, 15:03
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The ballot can't come soon enough. It is high time the management found out what their workforce think of the working conditions.
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Old 9th Jan 2003, 15:18
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There can be no ballot until the CEO has met with the Gen Sec of Balpa. This is a legal requirement.

So it's all down to when they have space in their diaries I guess.

I lay money on Webster's diary being quite full for a few weeks yet......or am I being cynical?
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Old 9th Jan 2003, 17:13
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Well well, news travels fast.
I wonder If EZY managenent are going to take note now or are heads still going to be buried deep into the dunes?!
Interesting few months ahead.
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Old 9th Jan 2003, 18:13
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was Webster not a 'union buster' in the sunnier hemisphere? Pistols at dawn methinks.
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Old 9th Jan 2003, 18:31
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It's up to Balpa now not the company council.

They're the experts who drew up the agreement in the first place!
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Old 9th Jan 2003, 22:01
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Hear hear!

Well said tin tin!
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Old 10th Jan 2003, 09:58
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Looks like Jump is looking attractive for WEBSTER.
Engineers want 12pc .
Looks interesting!

Pilots now need an agreement which will last the next 5 years!
Which means keeping the crew food.
A realistic pay rise.
Proper rostering which hasnt been designed by someone on day release.
Profit share or further options similar to Ryan.
Better communication between the shed and its crews!

Certainly NO erosion of our present terms and conditions!

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Old 10th Jan 2003, 10:46
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Well don't rely too much on BALPA . We had the same scenario with "Failure to agree" and standing conferences. Then BALPA saying they would ballot the membership, what was on offer was unacceptable, followed by a month of silence and then total capitulation. I hope this doesn't happen to you guys and wish you all the luck in the world.
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Old 10th Jan 2003, 15:08
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Which Company?
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Old 11th Jan 2003, 14:59
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Guardian quotes easy Captains at 85k

What total rubbish produced by the school teachers paper!
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Ask any Aussie or Kiwi pilot about Ray Webster and the pattern with easyJet becomes all too familiar.

Apparently Webster was involved in some shady dealings 'down under' which allegedly were corrupt - at least that is what I have been told.

Self-interest and personal wealth are the Webster objectives - which he has now achieved it seems. Maybe time to retire and let someone else sort out the problems which are about to ensue. No doubt he will avoid the issues himself and make Jim Pegram the Flight Operations Manager the sacrificial lamb to be slaughtered on the altar of pilot discontent.

Watch your back Jim the smiling assassin may be just behind you!!!

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Old 11th Jan 2003, 15:38
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mjenkinsblackdog - I agree - taking eJ's own figures off the website, this figure comes nowhere near what the top earners are raking in.

Airborne Base Instructor basic 70,500
Luton Allowance 2,000
Sector Pay (420 @ 21.99) 9,236
Loyalty Bonus (5-10yr bracket) 7,050
Medical Contribution 280
________

Making a Grand Total of 89,066

So, as my old Dad told me a long time ago, never believe what you read in the papers......

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Spanner - <<Self-interest and personal wealth are the (edited for libel) objectives >> : So what's your reason for going to work then?....not just for the good of mankind, I hope.
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Old 11th Jan 2003, 17:28
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Have you read the article?

Interesting that you choose a top level trainer, at LTN, with the highest seniority. A small percentage of the pilot workforce.

The article states that "EJ pilots earn around 85k" = FALSE

It goes on to say pilots work 5 on 3 off = FALSE

It further says pilots fly 40 flights a week = FALSE

Finding the true bits in the article is actually quite a challenge - but what do you expect from the Guardian?

Looks like your old dad was right!
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Old 11th Jan 2003, 17:39
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It's not simply a money issue, would that it was!

The beef is about t's & c's, rostering practices, disruption, fatigue, crew food, etc etc.

Pilots earn what they earn due to market forces.

But we shouldn't have to be slaves to a company to earn our salary.
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Old 11th Jan 2003, 21:31
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Dont do it,
Look you moron the average Captain would be on 60k plus 14/15k in allowances.
Even you can add that up!
It doesnt come to 85k as the guardian is saying.
Engage a cell before throwing out complete Bs.
Bye Laddie!



Are you related to WEBSTER!
Or even worse sims!

Oh of course your a journalist on 120k plus car plus expense account!How could I forget!Not to mention cosy meals with ej management!
Finally the odd free ticket!
Let me know if ive left anything out!

Ps Pilots have regularly be doing 7on 2off.Yet another error in the article.
Plus you failed to mention that management have just had a 10 million pound bonus shared between 40 individuals.

Easyjet pilots are merely after a reasonable deal.Without having their terms and conditions eroded by people in the shed.
Ryanair nearly had industrial action until MOL decided to sort it out.
Easy is going down the same road.

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mjenkinsblackdog - If what you say is correct, and the average Captain can add on 14k/15k in allowances, that would make even my figure of 89-odd thousand a bit on the low side.

Applying your figures to mine, that means there are those amongst your number who are raking in a stonking 96,000 per year.

I hope you're not one of the BALPA team being sent along to chat to those who pay you; just in case you are, remember that lucid and well-reasoned arguement will always triumph over cheap jibes and personal insults. Or maybe you too failed the verbal reasoning test for one of the real airlines?
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Old 11th Jan 2003, 22:10
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dont,
look you dont work for easyjet and you have little idea what you are talking about.
I suggest you take photos of Jordan and stay off this subject.

By the way !
Who do you work for ,or as I suspect you wouldnt dare put your real name to such rubbish!

Bye bye laddie!

An average Captain would gross 75k not 85k as you suggest.
If you dont believe me ring up easyjet personnel yourself!
You didnt get a maths O level laddie!

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Old 11th Jan 2003, 22:35
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60 + 15 = 75

Now, that wasn't difficult was it?

Tomorrow we'll look at taking away!

Why do you want to use the 5-10 yr bonus figure when that does not apply to over 90% of the crews?

Why do you choose Airborne Base Trainer as your example?

Why choose LTN as your example of a base?

Becase you want to inflate the figures..........of course.

Like I said, listen to your dad.
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