easyjet pilots to strike??
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FlapsOne - As I said at the start of my post <<what the top earners are raking in>>, never said anything about "average" salaries.
If you do choose to go down the route of strike action, you can bet your ass that the papers will quote "top whack", don't expect any sympathy from the public or the media, even if you are one of the ones struggling by on a meagre £75,000.
If you do choose to go down the route of strike action, you can bet your ass that the papers will quote "top whack", don't expect any sympathy from the public or the media, even if you are one of the ones struggling by on a meagre £75,000.
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Dont,
we dont expect sympathy.
Bye bye laddie!
Bet you are really struggling.
or are you the chap with the little white dog selling The Big Issue!
Or possibly a deluded guardian journalist who hates pilots!
we dont expect sympathy.
Bye bye laddie!
Bet you are really struggling.
or are you the chap with the little white dog selling The Big Issue!
Or possibly a deluded guardian journalist who hates pilots!
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My heart bleeds for you easyjet pilots. I just don’t know how you make ends meet on that rotten salary you get each month. You complain about your pay and rosters but does those rosters include the ego trips that you all seem to be on. My Daddy taught me if you don’t like how you are being treated then get another job.
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Master caution...
Good luck to all of you guys/gals at (not so) Easyjet.
Beware though. Found ourselves in a similar position in Bransons 'fun to fly for' outfit a few years ago, only to have BALPA accept a crap deal apparently on 'our behalf'. Yes they are supposed to represent the pilot, but be careful of the advice they dish out. All CD and his assistants managed to do was to seal my short term future along with many others with the airline, whose only effective vote was to walk. BALPA had only just been recognised, against the wooly wonders wishes, and we, the pilots, were very nieve and unprepared for the BS machine the company let loose. Better prepared and informed now, hear that V pilots may be contemplating similar action.
Be focused and don't give up space to the 'Prune stalker' morons winding things up.......good luck.
Beware though. Found ourselves in a similar position in Bransons 'fun to fly for' outfit a few years ago, only to have BALPA accept a crap deal apparently on 'our behalf'. Yes they are supposed to represent the pilot, but be careful of the advice they dish out. All CD and his assistants managed to do was to seal my short term future along with many others with the airline, whose only effective vote was to walk. BALPA had only just been recognised, against the wooly wonders wishes, and we, the pilots, were very nieve and unprepared for the BS machine the company let loose. Better prepared and informed now, hear that V pilots may be contemplating similar action.
Be focused and don't give up space to the 'Prune stalker' morons winding things up.......good luck.
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ltn man,
Fact is you wouldnt have a job if it wasnt for the pilots!
We merely want a deal which reflects the market rate without eroding our conditions.
I suppose your one of the 40!
Plus when was the last time you worked 7 days straight!Never,so please dont lecture us on rostering.Its been a shambles since98.
Now it must be sorted out!
Finally,your customer services at Luton are a well below par.
I can count on one hand how many 25minute turnrounds have been achieved since gp2000.
As you are obviously a frustrated ground person.May I suggest you cough up 60k and get a licence.
Bye bye laddie!
Fact is you wouldnt have a job if it wasnt for the pilots!
We merely want a deal which reflects the market rate without eroding our conditions.
I suppose your one of the 40!
Plus when was the last time you worked 7 days straight!Never,so please dont lecture us on rostering.Its been a shambles since98.
Now it must be sorted out!
Finally,your customer services at Luton are a well below par.
I can count on one hand how many 25minute turnrounds have been achieved since gp2000.
As you are obviously a frustrated ground person.May I suggest you cough up 60k and get a licence.
Bye bye laddie!
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Where do the ex go people stand. They're still on the old terms and conditions which were OK. Will they be going on strike? As previously mentioned, all the crews want are decent lifestyles, which a stable roster will give.
If stability can't be provided, let your feet do the walking, and management may then realise that it's pointless having the largest low cost fleet in Europe without the crews to fly them.
Easier said than done, but if you're there prostituting for the money, pretty soon you'll get shafted up the a...
If stability can't be provided, let your feet do the walking, and management may then realise that it's pointless having the largest low cost fleet in Europe without the crews to fly them.
Easier said than done, but if you're there prostituting for the money, pretty soon you'll get shafted up the a...
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LTNman
I don't think that money is the problem, people here are relatively satisfied with their salaries.
They do however recognise when they are being treated with utter contempt while simultaneously being bombarded by propaganda assuring them they are a vitally important ingredient of this 'people' company.
So that's TEN MILLION for us chosen few.......and the rest of you can all poke off!
I don't expect sympathy but please don't stereotype us all as greedy fat cats before checking out a few facts.
It's FAR from only the pilots that are unimpressed.
I don't think that money is the problem, people here are relatively satisfied with their salaries.
They do however recognise when they are being treated with utter contempt while simultaneously being bombarded by propaganda assuring them they are a vitally important ingredient of this 'people' company.
So that's TEN MILLION for us chosen few.......and the rest of you can all poke off!
I don't expect sympathy but please don't stereotype us all as greedy fat cats before checking out a few facts.
It's FAR from only the pilots that are unimpressed.
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Flanker is correct. MJenkins was more accurate in his first post. I have never known such amateurish rostering. The staff in the office have no idea of flying the line. They are all stuck in front of their computers all day. Crew food is pretty basic. How can they consider taking it away when you have no access to food up at 33,000 feet? I notice the office staff have given themselves a nice caffeteria.
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The answer to the company taking crew food away is simple.
Every aircraft gets shut down and the entire crew takes an hour’s lunch break, the same for breakfast and dinner.
In the company I work for, when our very own hatchet man started floating the idea about removing crew food, the above solution was mentioned and he quickly forgot the idea.
Every aircraft gets shut down and the entire crew takes an hour’s lunch break, the same for breakfast and dinner.
In the company I work for, when our very own hatchet man started floating the idea about removing crew food, the above solution was mentioned and he quickly forgot the idea.
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I don't know how many postings do I have to include here, before someone recognises that we've all been had.
All those pretty roadshows and chats about the most revolutionary airline etc, have simply been lies.
It's a money making machine for the top few. It's a hard working environment for the rest of us. Pay aside, we've been treated like crap for too long.
This thread is about strike.
Why not strike. This will teach the top few that without us they have no bonuses, no jobs, no airline.
Let's get this sorted, or I'll be leaving.
Are YOU gonna stay?
All those pretty roadshows and chats about the most revolutionary airline etc, have simply been lies.
It's a money making machine for the top few. It's a hard working environment for the rest of us. Pay aside, we've been treated like crap for too long.
This thread is about strike.
Why not strike. This will teach the top few that without us they have no bonuses, no jobs, no airline.
Let's get this sorted, or I'll be leaving.
Are YOU gonna stay?
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I think I speak for the majority of the Essex Dept of easy.
At present morale is virtually non-existant , except for a few putting a brave face on things, which is very sad, cosidering go was a genuinely happy ship previously.
The office is being culled on a daily basis, and roll on late January, the OPs department heads off down the M11 to Luton. I dread to think of the consequences and fallout from that.
The pilot workforce are again at a low, with the general opinion being if there was anywhere better, we'll be off. Alas, at present there isn't. Quite a few sniffing after Ryanair, and why not!
Rumour on the street is that our contingent from over the Irish Sea aren't too chuffed as Ryan Air are, quite rightly not extending their staff travel scheme for too much longer. Why ..., because Easy won't reciprocate. And as a result the commute for many becomes too costly.
The Belgians, mostly ex-Sabena, are apparently looking at a few of the new German low cost startups, which apparently are quite attractive to some. So there could be a few spare seats there too.
Apart from all that, everything is just fine! And how to fix it ..........., try starting with a stable roster and sorting out the pay deal. Up to the takeover, I believe most people were financially happy with GO, but being sr@wed about has a price.
All this uncertainty and secrecy about what is happening is having a most destructive effect on what was Go, and the sooner it is sorted the better, before there is no-one left.
At present morale is virtually non-existant , except for a few putting a brave face on things, which is very sad, cosidering go was a genuinely happy ship previously.
The office is being culled on a daily basis, and roll on late January, the OPs department heads off down the M11 to Luton. I dread to think of the consequences and fallout from that.
The pilot workforce are again at a low, with the general opinion being if there was anywhere better, we'll be off. Alas, at present there isn't. Quite a few sniffing after Ryanair, and why not!
Rumour on the street is that our contingent from over the Irish Sea aren't too chuffed as Ryan Air are, quite rightly not extending their staff travel scheme for too much longer. Why ..., because Easy won't reciprocate. And as a result the commute for many becomes too costly.
The Belgians, mostly ex-Sabena, are apparently looking at a few of the new German low cost startups, which apparently are quite attractive to some. So there could be a few spare seats there too.
Apart from all that, everything is just fine! And how to fix it ..........., try starting with a stable roster and sorting out the pay deal. Up to the takeover, I believe most people were financially happy with GO, but being sr@wed about has a price.
All this uncertainty and secrecy about what is happening is having a most destructive effect on what was Go, and the sooner it is sorted the better, before there is no-one left.
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answer the question
Is Ray Webster acting in the interest of the company institutional shareholders if he allows the pilot workforce to strike? This to me is the key issue. Pilot lifestyles are worth nothing to easyJet, but share price is and our ability to affect it is terryfying. Before we strike, our institutional shareholders have the right to call an extaordinary general meeting and re-elect the board( minus the current CEO).
We have bitched about rostering since this airline was conceived and as usual this thread has tracked off on our favourite topic.We can talk about what we WOULD LIKE until eternity but now the time for action is approaching.It is time to examine our options and finalise a battleplan. The time for all this carping is over. Lets Roll
We have bitched about rostering since this airline was conceived and as usual this thread has tracked off on our favourite topic.We can talk about what we WOULD LIKE until eternity but now the time for action is approaching.It is time to examine our options and finalise a battleplan. The time for all this carping is over. Lets Roll
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Full text of Gaurdian article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/s...872675,00.html
Worth noting that the threatened strike at KLM UK was very effective. Even one day of cancelled flights at easyJet would wake the management up to the value of their staff.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/s...872675,00.html
Worth noting that the threatened strike at KLM UK was very effective. Even one day of cancelled flights at easyJet would wake the management up to the value of their staff.
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If easyJet pilots want to strike then they are going to catch their airline at a vulnerable time. The following text appeared on a business forum and relates to easyJets financial performance. Perhaps the airline won't continue to be so cocky with employees if things are a bit vulnerable.
Subject:
Company: easyJet PLC
Date: Thu 9th Jan 2003 7:13:58
Country:
Industry:
easyJet chief warns of H1 loss
LONDON (AFX) - easyJet PLC, Europe's largest low-cost airline, will report a
loss for its first six months to the end of March, Ray Webster, chief executive,
said in an interview with the Financial Times.
The airline came under heavy pressure from investors in early trading
yesterday amid concerns sparked by disclosure of its December traffic figures.
EasyJet had a lower level of capacity utilisation last month with the higher
share of empty seats reflecting in part the rapid 44 pct growth in the airline's
capacity year-on-year, which outpaced a 38.6 pct rise in passenger volumes.
"We are watching very carefully for changes in consumer demand, but it is
early days. There is no sense of any problems yet," Webster is reported as
saying.
ING equity analysts lowered the bank's recommendation for easyJet shares
from "hold" to "sell."
The bank said the traffic figures were "slightly disappointing" and said it
had "doubts" about the airline's explanation for weak yields in the current half
year.
"We remain nervous of our profit forecasts," the said.
ml/rn
Subject:
Company: easyJet PLC
Date: Thu 9th Jan 2003 7:13:58
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Industry:
easyJet chief warns of H1 loss
LONDON (AFX) - easyJet PLC, Europe's largest low-cost airline, will report a
loss for its first six months to the end of March, Ray Webster, chief executive,
said in an interview with the Financial Times.
The airline came under heavy pressure from investors in early trading
yesterday amid concerns sparked by disclosure of its December traffic figures.
EasyJet had a lower level of capacity utilisation last month with the higher
share of empty seats reflecting in part the rapid 44 pct growth in the airline's
capacity year-on-year, which outpaced a 38.6 pct rise in passenger volumes.
"We are watching very carefully for changes in consumer demand, but it is
early days. There is no sense of any problems yet," Webster is reported as
saying.
ING equity analysts lowered the bank's recommendation for easyJet shares
from "hold" to "sell."
The bank said the traffic figures were "slightly disappointing" and said it
had "doubts" about the airline's explanation for weak yields in the current half
year.
"We remain nervous of our profit forecasts," the said.
ml/rn
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Well the journalist from the Guardian has definately been speaking to some day dreamers from the orange shed before writing his article.
Working 5 on 3 off would be great and on that kind of money a dream...
Working 5 on 3 off would be great and on that kind of money a dream...
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pilot,
Shares are low only 264 compared to paddy power at 470.
If war occurs scrub another 20per cent off.
I see Barbie Doll is running a boozer these days as well as writing her autobiography.She came out 9.5 million better from the easyjet Takeover{oops merger}.
Shares are low only 264 compared to paddy power at 470.
If war occurs scrub another 20per cent off.
I see Barbie Doll is running a boozer these days as well as writing her autobiography.She came out 9.5 million better from the easyjet Takeover{oops merger}.