Fokker F27 crash in Philippines 11/11/02
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Fuel contaminaion or blockage seems to be the only explanation for a simultaneous, multiple engine failure. In colder climes fuel filter heaters would be needed to melt possible ice and wax impurities in the fuel ; but in Manila temperatures not likely. Nevertheless use of fuel heaters used to be mandated in the Pre Take Off checks.
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Its been 25 years since I operated the F-27 so my memory of is slim. One thing I do remember is that it is rather disastrous to select the water-meth on at full dry power. I am guessing at a possibility but just maybe the right engine did have a power loss and the crew simply selected the water on and "boom", no left engine. Just food for thaught.
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The 3rd oil line (in the propellor system of the Dart) ALWAYS provides most answers!! 
lompaseo you ask, "Wouldn't a second engine OUT, not feathered be a significant yaw drag for the pilot to handle?"...but who said that the first (left) engine had in fact FAILED?. From memory, the reports only said that "smoke was seen coming from it".
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But who said the engines FAILED simultaneously?
Identify, Confirm, (THEN) Action the appropriate procedure.
lompaseo you ask, "Wouldn't a second engine OUT, not feathered be a significant yaw drag for the pilot to handle?"...but who said that the first (left) engine had in fact FAILED?. From memory, the reports only said that "smoke was seen coming from it".
Fuel contaminaion or blockage seems to be the only explanation for a simultaneous, multiple engine failure.
But who said the engines FAILED simultaneously?
Identify, Confirm, (THEN) Action the appropriate procedure.
>he 3rd oil line (in the propellor system of the Dart) ALWAYS provides most answers!!
lompaseo you ask, "Wouldn't a second engine OUT, not feathered be a significant yaw drag for the pilot to handle?"...but who said that the first (left) engine had in fact FAILED?. From memory, the reports only said that "smoke was seen coming from it".<
I think you meant "second" not "first" in your quote above.
At any rate it was "nobody" except the thread drift and the newspapers .
http://www.philstar.com/philstar/News200211160404.htm
lompaseo you ask, "Wouldn't a second engine OUT, not feathered be a significant yaw drag for the pilot to handle?"...but who said that the first (left) engine had in fact FAILED?. From memory, the reports only said that "smoke was seen coming from it".<
I think you meant "second" not "first" in your quote above.
At any rate it was "nobody" except the thread drift and the newspapers .
http://www.philstar.com/philstar/News200211160404.htm
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Or maybe the poor fellow was just trying to feed his family by flying a piece of **** hoping he would survive long enough to get a real job...as lots of have done...give them a break and let the facts speak for themselves....
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Reported in the Australian(2/12):
"INVESTIGATIONS into the crash of a Fokker 27 aircraft into Manila Bay last month, in which five Australian surfers were killed, have led to the arrest of the airline's Malaysian owner and Australian chief mechanic on immigration charges.
Although the official result of an inquiry into the crash has not been released, newspapers have reported a list of problems with the airline company and the plane, which crashed into the bay on November 11, killing 19 people.
On Friday, Australian national Jimmy Tan Chui, a board member of Laoag International Airlines, was arrested, along with his boss, company chairman Paul Ng, a Malaysian. Immigration commissioner Andrea Domingo said Mr Tan was the airline's chief mechanic and had been in The Philippines on a tourist visa. And although Mr Ng was married to a Filipina and had a resident's permit, he did not have appropriate work documents. Two pilots, who survived the crash, are also on an immigration watchlist to ensure they do not leave the country.
An airline spokesman, Alvin Yater, said Mr Tan was not an employee of the company and was merely a shareholder and "consultant". He said the pair was being held in an immigration detention centre but had not been formally charged.
Flight 585 was flying from Manila to Laoag, in the north of The Philippines, when it crashed into the bay just minutes after takeoff. Five young Australian friends from Sydney and Brisbane were killed, leaving a sole survivor from the group's planned two-week surfing trip to one of the best surfing breaks in The Philippines.
The Australian victims were: brothers Tim and Sam Coddington, 26 and 24, Darren Green, 23, Nick Wright, 24, and John Benson, 24.
Since the crash, newspapers have reported a series of problems with the airline and its planes. Transportation undersecretary Arturo Valdez claimed last week that the "fuel switch" was shut off. The aircraft's black box, although recovered from the bay, was effectively "blank" and yielded no information. Laoag Airlines was also being investigated for illegally importing Fokker 27 planes and avoiding duties, although it was not clear whether this allegation included the plane that crashed.
Mr Yater denied that the airline had smuggled the planes into the country. He expected the results of the investigation today.
"I would like to appeal to everyone to be patient and wait for the report," he said"
"INVESTIGATIONS into the crash of a Fokker 27 aircraft into Manila Bay last month, in which five Australian surfers were killed, have led to the arrest of the airline's Malaysian owner and Australian chief mechanic on immigration charges.
Although the official result of an inquiry into the crash has not been released, newspapers have reported a list of problems with the airline company and the plane, which crashed into the bay on November 11, killing 19 people.
On Friday, Australian national Jimmy Tan Chui, a board member of Laoag International Airlines, was arrested, along with his boss, company chairman Paul Ng, a Malaysian. Immigration commissioner Andrea Domingo said Mr Tan was the airline's chief mechanic and had been in The Philippines on a tourist visa. And although Mr Ng was married to a Filipina and had a resident's permit, he did not have appropriate work documents. Two pilots, who survived the crash, are also on an immigration watchlist to ensure they do not leave the country.
An airline spokesman, Alvin Yater, said Mr Tan was not an employee of the company and was merely a shareholder and "consultant". He said the pair was being held in an immigration detention centre but had not been formally charged.
Flight 585 was flying from Manila to Laoag, in the north of The Philippines, when it crashed into the bay just minutes after takeoff. Five young Australian friends from Sydney and Brisbane were killed, leaving a sole survivor from the group's planned two-week surfing trip to one of the best surfing breaks in The Philippines.
The Australian victims were: brothers Tim and Sam Coddington, 26 and 24, Darren Green, 23, Nick Wright, 24, and John Benson, 24.
Since the crash, newspapers have reported a series of problems with the airline and its planes. Transportation undersecretary Arturo Valdez claimed last week that the "fuel switch" was shut off. The aircraft's black box, although recovered from the bay, was effectively "blank" and yielded no information. Laoag Airlines was also being investigated for illegally importing Fokker 27 planes and avoiding duties, although it was not clear whether this allegation included the plane that crashed.
Mr Yater denied that the airline had smuggled the planes into the country. He expected the results of the investigation today.
"I would like to appeal to everyone to be patient and wait for the report," he said"
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Off record ... I was told that the pilot forgot to turn the fuel selector or shutoff valve to the ON position after it was turned off to refuel the aircraft.
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Also off record......
it where the maintenance fuel shut off switch (both engines) that where switched off. apperantly its not a pilot item to check since they normaly are wired shut.
Off the record offcourse.....
it where the maintenance fuel shut off switch (both engines) that where switched off. apperantly its not a pilot item to check since they normaly are wired shut.
Off the record offcourse.....
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I really don't have the answers. I haven't been following it, and haven't been asking questions. I only heard from somebody who's always on the airport (Manila) that one of the pilots failed to turn the fuel selectors back on. It could be just a rumor. It could be the gospel. Don't know for sure. I think most people -- except, of course, the families, crew, and investigators -- have mostly forgotten about it. I don't really hear anybody speaking about it anymore.
