MNL accident
 

CNN just reported an airplane down in MNL bay...no details.

Was a Fokker 27 with 29 or 30 on board.

BBC News

BBC report attached for your info...
another sad day...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2439465.stm :(

Three Fokkers in a row.
WIHIH?

Fokker-27 crash in Philippines
 

CNN is reporting that a Fokker-27 crashed into Manila Bay, a few survivors have been rescued.

http://asia.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiap...ash/index.html

Fokker F27 crash in Philippines 11/11/02
 

Associated Press has reported a F27 with 34 people crashed into Manila Bay after takeoff Monday. Early reports are 14 dead and 16 survivors, others still missing.

The F27 sank in 50 feet of water after takeoff.

A survivor said he saw smoke coming from the left engine just before the pilot came on the intercom to tell passengers to brace for impact. "I noticed some smoke coming out of the left engine, and then it banked. Then we ended up down in the water," he said.

He added that the cabin instantly filled with water.

The pilot Bernie Crisostomo and co-pilot Joseph Gardiner survived.

Not been a good 7 days for Fokker, what with the Euroceltic, Luxair and now this.

Video footage
 

Channel 5 news in the UK has just shown what appears to be a home video of the aircraft descending seconds before impact. It was in a shallow left turn with possibly the port engine not producing power...

Condolences to all involved in this tragedy.

Yep, I saw the footage too. It looked like the right engine was feathered yet the news is saying that the left engine was the one with problems!

With the height and speed available even an F27 should have been able to climb away with an engine failure.

My thoughts are with a blade angle seizure which is nearly impossible to control.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?newsl...4B262&set_id=1

Pilots survived.

It appears that the FO is well enough to speak to investigators.comments on the crash

Front section of F-27 recovered. story + picture

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Excerpt from “The Philippine Star 11/13/2002

Gardiner had recalled that while the aircraft was climbing to 350 feet after takeoff, the right engine lost power, causing the aircraft to lose speed before it crashed, Yap said.

……On the other hand, a representative of the British Rolls-Royce aircraft engine manufacturer, M.J. Gamlin, said they will bring the engine back home to determine the cause of the crash.”

Excerpt from “Reuters 11/11/2002

Manila - A passenger plane, trailing smoke from its left engine, plunged into Manila Bay and broke in two shortly after taking off from the Philippine capital on Monday, killing 18 of 34 people aboard.”

I couldn’t help but notice the glaring conflict between these two reports. I doubt that the engine manufacturer’s examination is going to determine anything more than the health of the engines and certainly not the cause of the crash.

There are rumors (Ozzie television) that the Laoagair F27 was smuggled in the PI to avoid taxes. A PI Gov spokesman stated that the a/c was never registered and therefore operating illegaly. Any confirmation on that?

Cheers

KAOS

KAOS the accident database websites are all identifying the aircraft as registered in the Phillipines. There does seem to be misinformation emanating from various sources however. Laoag was quoted as having voluntarily grounded their remaining F-27s, now the ATO says they ordered it. It has also been reported that this a/c was their only airworthy one, the rest being 'parts bins'.
And it seems they did bend another F-27 previously, without injury.

Perhaps, lomapaseo, BOTH reports are correct:-
"A passenger plane, trailing smoke from its left engine..", and,
"Gardiner had recalled that while the aircraft was climbing to 350 feet after takeoff, the right engine lost power.... :(

You are indeed correct when you say,
An aircraft with a sick left engine, and the power "lost" on the right would almost certainly be the ingredients needed to cause loss of flight capability.

A Philippine newspaper reported yesterday that it is suspected that the fuel boost pumps in each engines' collector tank were not switched on for takeoff.

Flight recorder now recovered and has been sent for anaylsis.

Fokker Flight manual says that engines can operate without fuel pumps selected.

Seem to remember it actually mentioned in the QRH that up to 2000' was OK without boost pumps and has been proven, unofficially, that F27 Darts can operate up to 10000' without pumps.

Please consider these as questions

I have heard that the first engine to quit automatically feathers, but if a second engine then quits it does not feather.

1) Is this correct ?

2) If yes to (1) above, is this to provide for quick relight?

In the photos I believe that I see one engine in feather (starboard).

3) Wouldn't a second engine OUT, not feathered be a significant yaw drag for the pilot to handle?

On the F-27 if one propeller has been feathered, either automatically or manually, the auto-feather function of the other engine is disabled. The other engine can be manually feathered, but why anyone would want to do that before relighting the first engine would be a mystery. There is no quick relight feature, indeed the unfeathering action alone takes five seconds or so.
The fuel system is essentially gravity feed. Fuel from the main tanks is supplied to a collector tank in each nacelle and from there to the engine fuel lines via two low pressure pumps located in the collector tank. They would normally be on for take-off, but the engine would still operate without them being on.