The Guvnor in the news again!
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Reminds me of a post sometime ago where he was advocating a policy of FR flight crews buying their own uniform - something about teaching people to respect property!!
Looks like he took his own advice.
If it wasn't for some of the disturbing 'non-aviation' rumour this could almost be a soap opera.
Looks like he took his own advice.
If it wasn't for some of the disturbing 'non-aviation' rumour this could almost be a soap opera.
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I have evidence of serious fraud by Robertson. Fortunately for him the institutions involved are too embarrased at being taken for a ride by him that they are trying to get their money back on the quiet.
I have evidence of the instruments he used to set up the accounts and I have copies of the letters from the institutions chasing him for the money. As is often the case, these institutions make allowances for this type of thing and they don't like any publicity showing their shortcomings or vulnerability.
I also have copies of emails from Robertson using one of his known aliases here on PPRuNe and verified through the email address where he wrote to me (unwittingly as he though I was someone else who cared) stating that he had no qualms about defrauding financial institutions "because the can afford it"!
I also have been told first hand by a witness who saw someone who used to frequent PPRuNe write a cheque out to Robertson at one of the smaller PPRuNe bashes. I know that that person has had no return on his 'investment' but lives in hope. That was a few years ago.
I also have first hand evidence by another person who has been ripped off and also had goods stolen from him by Robertson. This person is not just a joke but a serious threat to anyone who gets involved with him... and that is just his business dealings.
We also have someone who impersonates an airline pilot and also predates on the internet pretending to be a child psychologist specialising in child sex abuse. That is an altogether more sinister revelation of which more and more evidence is becoming available every day.
I have copies of CVs taken from a computer he left behind when he last fled from people who were chasing him for money. Both CVs claim that he has degrees in several subjects, one of which is child psychology. The problem is that one CV states he took his degree at the University of St Andrews and the other that he took it at the University of South Africa. Take your pick.
Robertson has never made any attempt to provide evidence of his qualifications stating that it is no ones business but his. I have offered to retract everything I have alleged and print retractions and give him free advertising for his aviation business on PPRuNe if he were to provide evidence. He has my lawyers details and my business address to serve his papers on me if he can prove I am lying.
I am not putting myself up on here for Robertson to accuse me of murder and tax evasion on other websites. His only method of answering all the allegations is to 'spin' some abstract stories with no evidence to back them up and then to attack on unrelated items in a vain effort to deflect attention from his own serious problems.
I am taking this opprtunity to use my own website to state my case and if some of you are too naive to realise the problems someone like Robertson can cause just in his business dealings, I pity you if you are parents.
If you think I and others are being harsh on Robertson then all I can suggest is that you join airliners.net and you will be amongst a small band of naive people who are in awe at someone who dresses up as a pilot but has no qualifications or the other bunch who are rabid right wingers and followers of revisionist history.
Here on PPRuNe we will not let the likes of Robertson get away with his depraved and predatory activities. This is not a joke, this is deadly serious.
I have evidence of the instruments he used to set up the accounts and I have copies of the letters from the institutions chasing him for the money. As is often the case, these institutions make allowances for this type of thing and they don't like any publicity showing their shortcomings or vulnerability.
I also have copies of emails from Robertson using one of his known aliases here on PPRuNe and verified through the email address where he wrote to me (unwittingly as he though I was someone else who cared) stating that he had no qualms about defrauding financial institutions "because the can afford it"!
I also have been told first hand by a witness who saw someone who used to frequent PPRuNe write a cheque out to Robertson at one of the smaller PPRuNe bashes. I know that that person has had no return on his 'investment' but lives in hope. That was a few years ago.
I also have first hand evidence by another person who has been ripped off and also had goods stolen from him by Robertson. This person is not just a joke but a serious threat to anyone who gets involved with him... and that is just his business dealings.
We also have someone who impersonates an airline pilot and also predates on the internet pretending to be a child psychologist specialising in child sex abuse. That is an altogether more sinister revelation of which more and more evidence is becoming available every day.
I have copies of CVs taken from a computer he left behind when he last fled from people who were chasing him for money. Both CVs claim that he has degrees in several subjects, one of which is child psychology. The problem is that one CV states he took his degree at the University of St Andrews and the other that he took it at the University of South Africa. Take your pick.
Robertson has never made any attempt to provide evidence of his qualifications stating that it is no ones business but his. I have offered to retract everything I have alleged and print retractions and give him free advertising for his aviation business on PPRuNe if he were to provide evidence. He has my lawyers details and my business address to serve his papers on me if he can prove I am lying.
I am not putting myself up on here for Robertson to accuse me of murder and tax evasion on other websites. His only method of answering all the allegations is to 'spin' some abstract stories with no evidence to back them up and then to attack on unrelated items in a vain effort to deflect attention from his own serious problems.
I am taking this opprtunity to use my own website to state my case and if some of you are too naive to realise the problems someone like Robertson can cause just in his business dealings, I pity you if you are parents.
If you think I and others are being harsh on Robertson then all I can suggest is that you join airliners.net and you will be amongst a small band of naive people who are in awe at someone who dresses up as a pilot but has no qualifications or the other bunch who are rabid right wingers and followers of revisionist history.
Here on PPRuNe we will not let the likes of Robertson get away with his depraved and predatory activities. This is not a joke, this is deadly serious.
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It looks like the thread was restored, complete with an explanation by NDR himself.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...d.main/296847/
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...d.main/296847/
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There were people on this website who defended The Guvnor to the hilt, even when his postings consisted of grotesque attacks on our profession. I particularily remember his involvement in a thread about September 11th which made my blood boil.
What was worse though was to see regular contributors to this site cheering him on.
I would have thought that those twits had by now copped on and realised what they were dealing with.
Gentlemen, Mr.Sensible and Mr.Tan, your naiivete and lack of character judgement beggars belief.
I often wondered what sort of idiots buy into Nigerian email scams etc.
Now I know.
What was worse though was to see regular contributors to this site cheering him on.
I would have thought that those twits had by now copped on and realised what they were dealing with.
Gentlemen, Mr.Sensible and Mr.Tan, your naiivete and lack of character judgement beggars belief.
I often wondered what sort of idiots buy into Nigerian email scams etc.
Now I know.
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Hello Bubbette.
Nope the thread on airliners has not been restored, that apparently is another one where he accuses our illlustrious leader Capt Pprune himself of hacking into his account. Danny I neither know nor care if you did quite honestly. You strike me as a decent and professional man and I am sorry you and your character are been attacked by this person. For the record I think you are doing sterling work.
Heed Dannys words folks. Mr Robertson is at the very least a dangerous man to know. Extensive investigations into him online are providing shocking truths. I know you will be reading this Mr Robertson, because the flaw in your mixed up personality demands you read all about yourself. It will be your downfall. Trust me you will only go so far before your Walter Mitty world comes crashing down around your ears and you pay for your past life.
Mess with innocence and you get all you deserve.
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Nope the thread on airliners has not been restored, that apparently is another one where he accuses our illlustrious leader Capt Pprune himself of hacking into his account. Danny I neither know nor care if you did quite honestly. You strike me as a decent and professional man and I am sorry you and your character are been attacked by this person. For the record I think you are doing sterling work.
Heed Dannys words folks. Mr Robertson is at the very least a dangerous man to know. Extensive investigations into him online are providing shocking truths. I know you will be reading this Mr Robertson, because the flaw in your mixed up personality demands you read all about yourself. It will be your downfall. Trust me you will only go so far before your Walter Mitty world comes crashing down around your ears and you pay for your past life.
Mess with innocence and you get all you deserve.
Regards
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In the absence of Names, dates and details of Neil's alleged frauds, I hold the view that he is more of a danger to himself rather than others. Maybe those considering investing in his pie in the sky schemes would be the ones most likely to benefit from the services of a child psychiatrist!
Neil would have probably made a good double glazing salesman if only he hadn't had the desire to dress up! Come to think of it, why didn't he self sponsor to actually become a pilot then you guys could have pronounced proudly that you had flown with F/O Robertson. Maybe Neil wouldn't have been happy with first officer, he would have wanted to be a captain straight away! I guess Danny joining Astreus and becoming an official Captain is what is bugging Neil!
Lets be absolutely serious here for a moment whilst we all ask ourselves whether an active businessman such as Neil presents himself would actually have the time to sit and post on the Internet all day long? I think not! My opinion is that Neil is just trying to be the big man but lacks the necessary substance.
Neil, you have answers for all of the criticisms levied at you, just answer the questions in my earlier post or are they to be ignored the same as the questions about you aviation and non aviation related qualifications?
You may have guessed by now that some people are beginning to doubt your integrity
Neil would have probably made a good double glazing salesman if only he hadn't had the desire to dress up! Come to think of it, why didn't he self sponsor to actually become a pilot then you guys could have pronounced proudly that you had flown with F/O Robertson. Maybe Neil wouldn't have been happy with first officer, he would have wanted to be a captain straight away! I guess Danny joining Astreus and becoming an official Captain is what is bugging Neil!
Lets be absolutely serious here for a moment whilst we all ask ourselves whether an active businessman such as Neil presents himself would actually have the time to sit and post on the Internet all day long? I think not! My opinion is that Neil is just trying to be the big man but lacks the necessary substance.
Neil, you have answers for all of the criticisms levied at you, just answer the questions in my earlier post or are they to be ignored the same as the questions about you aviation and non aviation related qualifications?
You may have guessed by now that some people are beginning to doubt your integrity
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Ladies and Gentlemen
I've been visiting the PPRUNE site since '97. Never have I seen such emotional responses from so many individuals who in some cases put themselves at the same level as The Guvnor. If it continues I'm sure Danny is going to land in legal trouble or worse and for what. Some nut...
Danny; Remember that little piece I wrote back in '98 about the power of the internet and the good it could do for pilots and the industry if we used it's power wisely.... IMHO why would you want to undo all the good work you've done over the years on this issue? It’s not worth it. Let the lawyers handle it. Time to take a step back and assess the situation again, just like handling an in-flight emergency.
I like PPRUNE and sure hate to see it degenerate into something for what it was not intended.
I've been visiting the PPRUNE site since '97. Never have I seen such emotional responses from so many individuals who in some cases put themselves at the same level as The Guvnor. If it continues I'm sure Danny is going to land in legal trouble or worse and for what. Some nut...
Danny; Remember that little piece I wrote back in '98 about the power of the internet and the good it could do for pilots and the industry if we used it's power wisely.... IMHO why would you want to undo all the good work you've done over the years on this issue? It’s not worth it. Let the lawyers handle it. Time to take a step back and assess the situation again, just like handling an in-flight emergency.
I like PPRUNE and sure hate to see it degenerate into something for what it was not intended.
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Frank W Abagnale, alias Frank Williams, Robert Conrad, Frank Adams, and Robert Monjo, was one of the most daring con men, forgers, imposters, and escape artists in history. In his brief but notorious criminal career, Abagnale donned a pilot's uniform and copiloted a Pan Am jet, masqueraded as the supervising resident of a hospital, practiced law without a license, passed himself off as a college sociology professor, and cashed over $2.5 million in forged checks, all before he was twenty-one. Known by the police as "The Skywayman" Abagnale lived a sumtious life on the lam- until the law caught up with him. Now recognised as a US leading authority on financial foul play...
Abagnale is now one of the world's most respected authorities on counterfeiting and secure documents. For more than 25 years he has worked with the FBI's National Academy, a program that instructs federal law enforcement agencies. He live in the Midwest with his wife and three sons.
126.9: Thanks a bunch for the enlightening reminder from the 60's. Maybe the paperback reprint can be ordered from Amazon? I wonder how that guy really learned enough aviation lingo and procedures to fit into a crew's flow and checklist challenge/response patterns, not to mention fly. Maybe he had rented a 707 simulator and was almost a genius, in terms of learning curves, after having stolen some Pan Am Aircraft Operating Manuals?
How about the medical and legal procedures to portray himself as various well-trained specialists?
If you guys/gals let this thread degenerate into squabbles with each other, "the Guvnor" will enjoy his indirect influence on you and your resultant frustrations (Schadenfreude). Did Nigeria allow pilots to buy their way into an airline pilot job, and offer the "required training"?
Comair and Flight Safety began a similar concept years ago in the US, based on a tentative job after the very thorough turboprop FO training and an interview process, and all for about the price of a US mainline jet type rating! What a progre$$ive, lucrative deal...
How about the medical and legal procedures to portray himself as various well-trained specialists?
If you guys/gals let this thread degenerate into squabbles with each other, "the Guvnor" will enjoy his indirect influence on you and your resultant frustrations (Schadenfreude
). Did Nigeria allow pilots to buy their way into an airline pilot job, and offer the "required training"? Comair and Flight Safety began a similar concept years ago in the US, based on a tentative job after the very thorough turboprop FO training and an interview process, and all for about the price of a US mainline jet type rating! What a progre$$ive, lucrative deal...
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I hate getting involved with discussions on this man because you just know he loves the attention, but I agree with the need to keep warning people so long as Mr. Mitty is out there trying to sell his virtual airline. This guy is dangerous, those of you think he's just some kind of harmless Del-Boy style rogue are mistaken. He will try at all costs to fraduantly get money by whatever means, he's relatively smart, listening to him you might be fooled as he appears to have some knowledge of the industry.
I know he tried to get something sorted here in Ireland and even had the nerve to use the names of well respected airline executives and managers in his "Business Plan" who didn't even know about it. The first a CEO here knew about it, whose name was on the plan, was when I showed it to him! And PPRuNe played a very big part in exposing this fraudster and I know for a fact a lot of airline Exec's got the information form PPRuNe. If banks get taken in by him you can appreciate the danger he poses.
I was always worried for the wannabes, desperate to get employment with a commercial airline, here comes this guy promising the earth, widebody flying in a new start up with an ESOP to boot, wow! What a chance! He would have gladly taken the money and run.
So yes PPRuNe is 100% correct to continue to expose this man for what he is and warn others about dealing with him.
Keep up the fight Danny!
I know he tried to get something sorted here in Ireland and even had the nerve to use the names of well respected airline executives and managers in his "Business Plan" who didn't even know about it. The first a CEO here knew about it, whose name was on the plan, was when I showed it to him! And PPRuNe played a very big part in exposing this fraudster and I know for a fact a lot of airline Exec's got the information form PPRuNe. If banks get taken in by him you can appreciate the danger he poses.
I was always worried for the wannabes, desperate to get employment with a commercial airline, here comes this guy promising the earth, widebody flying in a new start up with an ESOP to boot, wow! What a chance! He would have gladly taken the money and run.
So yes PPRuNe is 100% correct to continue to expose this man for what he is and warn others about dealing with him.
Keep up the fight Danny!
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I've just read the book again. Its available using ISBN 0-7679-0538-5 if you're interested. Absolutely amazing how the guy did it; even passing the State Bar in Florida!!!
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I can't get anywhere searching with the ISBN number folks, although "Frank W Abagnale" throws up a few offerings.
What's the book called please?
AFWIW, IMHO The Guvnor has spent so much time on this BB putting our profession down that he deserves everything he gets for that alone.
As for pretend Child Psycologists... It's a shame castration without anasthetic isn't an option.
What's the book called please?
AFWIW, IMHO The Guvnor has spent so much time on this BB putting our profession down that he deserves everything he gets for that alone.
As for pretend Child Psycologists... It's a shame castration without anasthetic isn't an option.
He sounds rather like what I have heard and seen of a now extinct Flying school owner who went on to start a DC3 outfitwhich now also is finished. He also liked people looking at him. Is it me or does Aviation attract these sorts.
Cheers.
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I think I have got it figured.... The Guvnor is funded by the C.I.A. To help spread mind bending drugs via his contrails
At least till his alarm clock goes off, but seriously
Many moons ago I questioned his "business plan" as an amused observer with three grams of knowledge, I got a very nasty e-mail telling me if I did not stop it he would sue me
HE inferred he was involved with the security services of this wonderfull country via his backer "Vauxhall cross"(MI5 are based there). When I asked a question only known by anyone with a hint of connection with the security services the answer said it all he is just a sad dreamer, hence his username on airliners.net SAS23.
The only people taken in by him are GREEDY. "A fool and his money"
But isn't that the very pepole he feeds on????????
Vauxhall Cross was one of the aliases he used himself on PPRuNe. Almost every one of the 20 or so aliases we found were used as 'different' people to support Robertson although they were all written by Robertson.
At least till his alarm clock goes off, but seriously
Many moons ago I questioned his "business plan" as an amused observer with three grams of knowledge, I got a very nasty e-mail telling me if I did not stop it he would sue me
HE inferred he was involved with the security services of this wonderfull country via his backer "Vauxhall cross"(MI5 are based there). When I asked a question only known by anyone with a hint of connection with the security services the answer said it all he is just a sad dreamer, hence his username on airliners.net SAS23.
The only people taken in by him are GREEDY. "A fool and his money"
But isn't that the very pepole he feeds on????????
Vauxhall Cross was one of the aliases he used himself on PPRuNe. Almost every one of the 20 or so aliases we found were used as 'different' people to support Robertson although they were all written by Robertson.
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