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Old 8th Mar 2024, 23:07
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I am left wondering why the crew used the nosewheel steering to take a high speed turn off when they had directional control issues. Why di d they not just run long in a straight line?
It’s likely they slowed to an appropriate speed for using the tiller steering. No need to stay on the runway if the tiller is working and you are at a appropriate speed.
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 00:34
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Aviation Herald is reporting that another United B38M suffered a runway excursion and main gear collapse at Houston today;

Source; https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618&opt=0

Just a coincidence or is there a common cause?
It's being reported that the pilot drove it into the grass during very poor visibility conditions. So coincidence.
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 07:22
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The Max does have cat3B capability. Customer option on the NG that I flew previously. Interesting the HGS with the same operator is not certified for cat3B so is either modes cleared or HGS stowed dependent on crew choice. Beware pprune disinformation. I have no idea what happened in this instance nor whether United have cat3B authorization but would be surprised if they didn’t. I am a current instructor on type.
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 12:46
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Upthread it was mentioned that UAL only had nine planes with the HGS ?...If so I would think that the CAT would be restricted to what's allowed w/o it for commonality purposes across that fleet...B
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 15:01
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UAL uses the HUD for cat3b capability.
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Old 10th Mar 2024, 01:10
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767
UAL uses the HUD for cat3b capability.
Is it 1 new thing for HGS to be certified for Cat3b? It always used to be Cat3a, I’m pretty sure because it does not contribute to the the automatic rollout. It could be used to monitor rollout, but does it now provide Cat3b rollout steering guidance?
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Originally Posted by GlobalNav
Is it 1 new thing for HGS to be certified for Cat3b? It always used to be Cat3a, I’m pretty sure because it does not contribute to the the automatic rollout. It could be used to monitor rollout, but does it now provide Cat3b rollout steering guidance?
You are correct. The HUD gives Cat3A
One strange HUD issue at my airline years ago. They required all approaches with the RVR below 4000 to be coupled if available unless the RVR was below 1200 in which case you were required to hand fly. Never made a lot of sense to me.
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Old 10th Mar 2024, 15:19
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UAL doesn’t do Cat 3B on the 737. None of the NG’s have a HUD. A handful of the MAX’s do. It’s not approved for use and is being progressively removed from those aircraft.
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Old 10th Mar 2024, 15:47
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Originally Posted by Verbal Kint
UAL doesn’t do Cat 3B on the 737. None of the NG’s have a HUD. A handful of the MAX’s do. It’s not approved for use and is being progressively removed from those aircraft.
Is HUD not approved for use by UAL or not approved for use on any MAX? I have been involved with 3 HUD cert programs (not Flight Dynamics now Rockwell Collins) and would like to learn more about this.
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Old 10th Mar 2024, 15:48
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Originally Posted by Verbal Kint
UAL doesn’t do Cat 3B on the 737. None of the NG’s have a HUD. A handful of the MAX’s do. It’s not approved for use and is being progressively removed from those aircraft.
Off topic I know, but why would you want to remove a proven aid to flight safety ?
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Old 10th Mar 2024, 15:51
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If the pilots aren't trained for it, its definitely not an aid to flight safety, quite the contrary
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Old 10th Mar 2024, 16:33
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Why don’t they do CAT 3B? I don’t know - very rarely required on the line, & something else to have to train I guess. They do CAT 3A though.
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Old 10th Mar 2024, 16:48
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Originally Posted by STBYRUD
If the pilots aren't trained for it, its definitely not an aid to flight safety, quite the contrary
True...Everybody on the same page and whatnot...Reminds me of when UAL flew the 37 Original and Classic as a combined fleet...I came along after the split but heard stories about the clusters that occurred before the split ...B
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Old 11th Mar 2024, 06:24
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Talking

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And yet again Boeing has allocated 20 accountants to formulate the business case to decide if they should fix the issue or cover it up
Funny as hell!! AKA true]
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Old 11th Mar 2024, 07:14
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As I said before I am a current simulator instructor on the NG and Max. I am not authorized to say who I work for. For clarification the customer has the HGS on NG and Max on the LHS and it is sop to use it. Further complication with cat 3. NG authorized for cat3a with HGS. Max authorised for cat3b but no HGS allowed. This may be a regulator driven issue and I am not sure why. The Fail Operational autopilot has Rollout mode and the root cause of the above runway excursions may have something to do with that or not as I am just speculating.
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Old 11th Mar 2024, 15:26
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Originally Posted by 1southernman
Upthread it was mentioned that UAL only had nine planes with the HGS ?...If so I would think that the CAT would be restricted to what's allowed w/o it for commonality purposes across that fleet...B
Likely these 9 planes were "white tails" that were moved to United while China was slow to clear the MAX.
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