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14 day quarantine

Old 23rd May 2020, 08:53
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Reference the question about "Which other european countries are imposing 14 day quarantine on U.K. arrivals?" and

Originally Posted by peter we View Post
Most of the EU, except France and Germany, USA. .
Whilst it's absolutely correct that France doesn't have formal quarantine for arrivals from the UK that is almost irrelevant because the French still have some pretty serious restrictions on who can enter from anywhere in the world - that has been the case for several weeks.

For example ATM a Brit not resident in France can't just rock up at the Border and say they are arriving to visit friends or are on a holiday - they'll be denied entry, so quarantine not required...

FYI currently to enter France an individual has to be able to demonstrate (either prior to boarding a flight, and/or on arrival at the Border) a valid reason for entry into the country, such as being an essential worker, frontier worker, etc..FWIW that does include crew on personal travel going to/from work - uniform not required but you'll almost certainly be required to produce ID and other supporting paperwork..

Full list is in this link:

https://www.ufe.org/actualites/covid...-international

Brings us back to the point that some countries have been taking this seriously for quite some time.

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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:02
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post

"crew, as defined in paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 to the Air Navigation Order 2016(h), where such crew have travelled to the UK in the course of their work... a person who resides in the UK and who pursues an activity as an employed or self-employed person in another country to which they usually go at least once a week"

I'd interpret that as including commuting pilots as they have travelled to the UK to work or commuting to a non-UK base.
I don’t think that includes commuters at all. As a poster above mentioned In the course of their work would be on duty, so unless you’ve operated or are officially positioning for duty then I’d say you’re out of luck.

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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:06
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So those of you that are flight crew and commute from France, Italy, etc, what are you going to do now?
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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:13
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Originally Posted by ClassCbird View Post
This is leading to depression, aggression, binge drinking....
Sounds like a standard pilot, tbh.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Del Prado View Post
So those of you that are flight crew and commute from France, Italy, etc, what are you going to do now?
As has been pointed out by myself and others most countries with entry restrictions have generally had an exemption in the rules or have left wriggle room in the wording for those involved in essential work, whether travelling on duty or "travelling to perform their duties" - so personally I'm expecting some pragmatism to kick in over the next two weeks.

Oh hang ...we're talking about HMG and the Home office....

See any wriggle room here....???

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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:27
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Where is this? As an active pilot that has been relatively busy in this unfortunate period, I've never had to self isolate for 14 days after each duty.

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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:42
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Not for me, and I’ve been studying it most of the night!

Ps. PM’d you.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:49
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
Where is this? As an active pilot that has been relatively busy in this unfortunate period, I've never had to self isolate for 14 days after each duty.



Australia, for one.

from the Deparment of Health COVID factsheet-
Airline crew who have been on international flights must self-isolate in their crew accommodation or home for 14 days after arrival, or until their next flight, whichever is shorter.
the above requirement means that you could be in permanent isolation. Home-work-home-work only, unless you get 14 days at home without going overseas, then you can go outside the home and do something.
”self isolation” in this case in Aus means stay at home. You can only leave the house to go to work, a medical appointment or to escape harm (ie fire, flood, violence).

crazily, I could do a flight to NZ (which is mostly Covid free) and back to home base, in one duty, not set foot outside the plane other than a walk-around, yet I’d have to isolate in Aus when I return.
make sense? No. That’s government!
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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:54
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In Germany and Italy cross-borders workers are exempt. In Italy it took a few decrees to get to this. Looks like we have taken a more "common-sense" approach to this.
For layovers downroute, we have been either hotel confined or room confined.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 13:05
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In Europe if you don't leave the aircraft you do not have to self isolate, for now.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 13:21
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I suppose a month off at home in June/July could be worse? I'm not going to stress about it tbh. I gather that there wont be much flying going on anyway.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 13:46
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I also just read somewhere the authorities are closing beaches around Europe. Australia did the same thing. Idiots.
Why UV-A and UV-B provide you with Vit D the real supplement that kills Covid-19. That's why we have a sun. Without it
we would all die. So the (authorities beach cops government departments) want to lock you up in your own home and suppress
your immune system and make you more depressed.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 14:19
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Big list of exemptions for the UK, flight crew being one of them.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...k-border-rules
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Old 23rd May 2020, 14:54
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Originally Posted by hunterboy View Post
I suppose a month off at home in June/July could be worse? I'm not going to stress about it tbh. I gather that there wont be much flying going on anyway.
A lot of free time in the summer has traditionally been a huge and almost unattainable luxury for almost everyone in civil aviation. Maybe except for management pilots and those on the very top of the seniority list for their fleets. However, the catch is that it stops being enjoyable the moment one gets thrown out of their flying job and faced with the perspective of stacking shelves or driving a delivery van. Sorry about being negative, but that's exactly where one in every three pilots is heading soon if this utter madness carries on. If there's no flying in the summer, many of the companies relying on the summer months to make up for the weak season in the winter simply won't survive.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 15:38
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Not if you’re an Airline Pilot Commuter arriving in the UK to fly next day, 14 days quarantine required.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 15:39
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Originally Posted by Nightstop View Post
Not if you’re an Airline Pilot Commuter arriving in the UK to fly next day, 14 days quarantine required.
We've discussed this recently in the Italian forum, with the OP being employed by an Irish operator with a base at a UK airport. He is not required to be in quarantine either in Italy or the UK.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 15:45
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Thanks BJ, it seems the Gov.UK website is not as detailed as it should be...no surprise there.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 15:57
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I regularly finish a trip by positioning by airline back to the UK, guess that means 14 days quarantine for me.

I see France has now retaliated imposing 14 day quarantine on anyone arriving from the UK
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Old 23rd May 2020, 16:04
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
Where is this? As an active pilot that has been relatively busy in this unfortunate period, I've never had to self isolate for 14 days after each duty.​​

Middle East Banana Joe. Some crews are working say 7 day trip staying in hotel room due local CV19 restrictions. Then on return they are swabbed, then isolate for another 14 days then re-swab.
Am I joking - No
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Old 24th May 2020, 03:04
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Originally Posted by Car RAMROD View Post
Australia, for one.

from the Deparment of Health COVID factsheet-


the above requirement means that you could be in permanent isolation. Home-work-home-work only, unless you get 14 days at home without going overseas, then you can go outside the home and do something.
”self isolation” in this case in Aus means stay at home. You can only leave the house to go to work, a medical appointment or to escape harm (ie fire, flood, violence).

crazily, I could do a flight to NZ (which is mostly Covid free) and back to home base, in one duty, not set foot outside the plane other than a walk-around, yet I’d have to isolate in Aus when I return.
make sense? No. That’s government!
Effectively this is what we are doing here in Hong Kong. During layover at any port we are mandated to stay in our room, only room service or the like for food. On return we are in Medical Surveillance for 14 days. Report twice daily temperature check to Company and remain at home as much as possible, avoiding social contact with others, allowed out for exercise once a day. All Doctors and Dentists here refuse to see anyone with travel history in the last 14 days, so makes it tricky if you are sick....Been doing this for the 6 weeks or so.....
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