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14 day quarantine
On BBC news now the gov is to enforce a 14 day quarantine for any arriving pax into UK airports from the end of May excluding ROI . If its true that's it we are all out of job goodbye to the aviation industry.
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There’s to be a “consultation” tomorrow with the airlines and there will also be exemptions for key workers according to the bbc news website. If that’s the case it hardly seems to be credible, either it’s needed for everyone or it’s not needed at all. The industry is already bleeding on the floor, I didn’t expect a conservative government to kick it to death.
I think it would be wise to see what actually transpires tomorrow before getting into a panic, there’s nothing official just yet.
I think it would be wise to see what actually transpires tomorrow before getting into a panic, there’s nothing official just yet.
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I think it would be wise to see what actually transpires tomorrow before getting into a panic, there’s nothing official just yet.
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Originally Posted by redED
And why now all of a sudden, on the face of it we’ve had no screening at ports and only limited quarantines, why not 3 months ago when this all kicked off?
Given global pax air traffic is one of the if not the primary means of spread, this is entirely predictable, inevitable and necessary . . .
The harder the lockdown the faster it passes, the UK gov have been lax and incompetent, perhaps intentionally (i.e. they are murderers), so it'll last longer and cost more lives and to the economy . . . whether you voted for a smart *rse latin talking chimp who is absolutely incapable of dealing with this (or any other) issue, only you will know . . . if you did . . . chapeau . . . you get what you asked for . . .
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14 days seems to be a common quarantine starter length. Norway sample has just announced they are reducing it from 14 to 10 days on FHI (Peoples Health institute) expert advice. Doesn't stop they who have to go for job reasons for longer periods, like oil or farm workers. There will be rules coming with it that eases the quarantine. Sample 1 crane driver on a special crane that lay tracks in a new railroad tunnel spent his quarantine in the crane cabin. So one can declare a workplace as the place of quarantine. Plus there will probably be excemptions for certain workers based on national needs.
More direct flying will be needed, and in greater quantities than today. Looked up a Dublin-Trondheim trip. Only scheduled option came up as a 3 day journey via Island. And the alternatives are not there since car ferries are not running and you can't drive across European borders.
More direct flying will be needed, and in greater quantities than today. Looked up a Dublin-Trondheim trip. Only scheduled option came up as a 3 day journey via Island. And the alternatives are not there since car ferries are not running and you can't drive across European borders.
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Deaths still keep on occurring. Hospitals still mainly empty, Non Covids dropping like flies for lack of treatment. Apparently the UK is one of the only countries not screening new arrivals. Yet we are on a downward trend.
Now we want to impose a two week quarantine. It's non sensical. We are closed for business.
18% of the UK population are over the age of 65. They are at most risk and account for 80% of deaths. So we shut down our society. Furlough our taxpayers and bankrupt our future to provide protection to people who are in no position to contribute financially to society.
The lunatics are running the asylum.
Before people start on about the heartlessness of this we all need to consider risk. Something we as pilots should do routinely. Does the risk to over 65s warrant the risk to the economy and future generations. I say no.
Now we want to impose a two week quarantine. It's non sensical. We are closed for business.
18% of the UK population are over the age of 65. They are at most risk and account for 80% of deaths. So we shut down our society. Furlough our taxpayers and bankrupt our future to provide protection to people who are in no position to contribute financially to society.
The lunatics are running the asylum.
Before people start on about the heartlessness of this we all need to consider risk. Something we as pilots should do routinely. Does the risk to over 65s warrant the risk to the economy and future generations. I say no.
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Epidemiologist Professor Johan Giesecke writes in The Lancet…
“… facts have led me to the following conclusions. Everyone will be exposed to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, and most people will become infected. COVID-19 is spreading like wildfire in all countries, but we do not see it—it almost always spreads from younger people with no or weak symptoms to other people who will also have mild symptoms. This is the real pandemic, but it goes on beneath the surface, and is probably at its peak now in many European countries. There is very little we can do to prevent this spread: a lockdown might delay severe cases for a while, but once restrictions are eased, cases will reappear. I expect that when we count the number of deaths from COVID-19 in each country in 1 year from now, the figures will be similar, regardless of measures taken.”
Yet we persist in screwing ourselves economically. Madness. My comment.
“… facts have led me to the following conclusions. Everyone will be exposed to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, and most people will become infected. COVID-19 is spreading like wildfire in all countries, but we do not see it—it almost always spreads from younger people with no or weak symptoms to other people who will also have mild symptoms. This is the real pandemic, but it goes on beneath the surface, and is probably at its peak now in many European countries. There is very little we can do to prevent this spread: a lockdown might delay severe cases for a while, but once restrictions are eased, cases will reappear. I expect that when we count the number of deaths from COVID-19 in each country in 1 year from now, the figures will be similar, regardless of measures taken.”
Yet we persist in screwing ourselves economically. Madness. My comment.
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This seems an exercise in utter futility, inasmuch as the number of non-Britons who are willing to pay to travel to that country under such terms can probably be counted on the fingers of one hand.
I'm at a loss to know why the British government did not simply say that there will be no commercial aviation until further notice.
I'm at a loss to know why the British government did not simply say that there will be no commercial aviation until further notice.
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Originally Posted by fergusd
The harder the lockdown the faster it passes, the UK gov have been lax and incompetent, perhaps intentionally (i.e. they are murderers), so it'll last longer and cost more lives and to the economy . . . whether you voted for a smart *rse latin talking chimp who is absolutely incapable of dealing with this (or any other) issue, only you will know . . . if you did . . . chapeau . . . you get what you asked for . . .
I don't think the government's handling has been lax at all, and that is exactly the problem. It has made scared political decisions, in thrall to a baying media who have whipped up public terror constantly throughout this fiasco. This proposed 14 day quarantine is another unwelcome, ultimately unenforceable knee jerk reaction to be seen to be doing something useful.
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British Government's moto:
Making it up as we go along.
It's too late to start placing people in 14 day quarantine. British Government, you've let in too many people to our country in the last 2 months for this to have any affect other than to destroy the economy further. But then, by doing so, further down the line, you will increase taxes. So screw people now with the 14 day rule, and screw your own people next year onwards with tax hikes.
Making it up as we go along.
It's too late to start placing people in 14 day quarantine. British Government, you've let in too many people to our country in the last 2 months for this to have any affect other than to destroy the economy further. But then, by doing so, further down the line, you will increase taxes. So screw people now with the 14 day rule, and screw your own people next year onwards with tax hikes.
Australia has been doing it. Numbers much better than UK. As of yesterday less than 7000 total cases and less than 100 total deaths. Majority of cases traced to International Travel.
Those numbers are “all time”. UK has been getting numbers like that some days. The population ratio is not enough to justify those differences.
I’ve lost my job (temporarily I hope) and yes it’s horrific for the industry. But it’s working.
Those numbers are “all time”. UK has been getting numbers like that some days. The population ratio is not enough to justify those differences.
I’ve lost my job (temporarily I hope) and yes it’s horrific for the industry. But it’s working.
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To late again as usual.
The Airports have had thousands of staff doing nothing for weeks now.
A sensible screening and tracking system at the start for anyone arriving would have helped in tracking the small amount of people arriving in the country.
Politicians can't even make their minds up whether masks should be compulsory worn.
The Airports have had thousands of staff doing nothing for weeks now.
A sensible screening and tracking system at the start for anyone arriving would have helped in tracking the small amount of people arriving in the country.
Politicians can't even make their minds up whether masks should be compulsory worn.
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This is a terrible situation & I pretty much agree with all of what has been said, so far. But, do not even begin to imagine that the Govt. knows what it is doing. It NEVER has done - to that extent, we are doomed ! In fact, no one knows what is best to do. We simply have to keep our fingers crossed & hope for the best. This virus will not physically destroy mankind, but with the help of those in charge it will make a damn good job of completely impoverishing us all !
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I am pretty sure the UK is just moving in line with other countries. Germany has a home quarantine rule of 14 days for anyone other than business travellers, who can spend a limited amount of time abroad. Austria requires certification of a negative test for visits other than work travel.
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Up to that point, the UK was an exception rather than the norm in terms of cross-border travel. Quarantine is mandated on arrivals from abroad pretty much everywhere else in Europe. Austria is leading the way for now by allowing the quarantine to be replaced by a negative test, done either at VIE airport at the eye-watering cost of €190 or at an independent lab before the trip for one third of that cost.
It's another matter how timely such a measure is or whether imported cases are the biggest problem while the virus is running rampant across the local population. And, obviously, its introduction will smash up most of the efforts to start restoring some degree of connectivity by now.
It's another matter how timely such a measure is or whether imported cases are the biggest problem while the virus is running rampant across the local population. And, obviously, its introduction will smash up most of the efforts to start restoring some degree of connectivity by now.
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Originally Posted by guy_incognito
at the lockdown came too soon.
I don't think the government's handling has been lax at all, and that is exactly the problem. It has made scared political decisions, in thrall to a baying media who have whipped up public terror constantly throughout this fiasco. This proposed 14 day quarantine is another unwelcome, ultimately unenforceable knee jerk reaction to be seen to be doing something useful.
I don't think the government's handling has been lax at all, and that is exactly the problem. It has made scared political decisions, in thrall to a baying media who have whipped up public terror constantly throughout this fiasco. This proposed 14 day quarantine is another unwelcome, ultimately unenforceable knee jerk reaction to be seen to be doing something useful.
The Tories control the MSM so that can’t be right ... it’s very clear that No.10 brief then what to write (like last Thu)
If this was an advisory, to stay low as far as possible for ten days to two weeks, then maybe it would make more sense.
In Japan I read (perhaps back in February?) that they were handing out leaflets to arriving passengers advising them not to use public transport, and to head straight to one registered address for quarantine, though I doubt many followed that to the letter.
In Japan I read (perhaps back in February?) that they were handing out leaflets to arriving passengers advising them not to use public transport, and to head straight to one registered address for quarantine, though I doubt many followed that to the letter.
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Conference call
I think this conference call , chaired by aviation minister Kelly Tolhurst, could be VERY interesting. Very strange they bring this in now, but I’m really hoping it’s part of a phased approach whereby they reduce it gradually over a period of 3-4 weeks and it’s a targeted policy from certain destinations which ‘follows scientific evidence’ .However I doubt it is being thought through properly and is probably not being coordinated with other nations.
Strangley , the only people who use aviation that are not as affected here are retired, those at potentially more risk, as self isolation is not the end of the world after a trip away. Although the FCO ‘advice’ is not to travel , maybe they might relax some of this advice , allowing rules similar to Germany. Short trips no quarantine, longer ones 14 days quarantine. As it’s leaked , let’s see what actually comes out later.
This could genuinely finish commercial aviation without significant financial help from Government. Help they seem very reluctant to offer.
Strangley , the only people who use aviation that are not as affected here are retired, those at potentially more risk, as self isolation is not the end of the world after a trip away. Although the FCO ‘advice’ is not to travel , maybe they might relax some of this advice , allowing rules similar to Germany. Short trips no quarantine, longer ones 14 days quarantine. As it’s leaked , let’s see what actually comes out later.
This could genuinely finish commercial aviation without significant financial help from Government. Help they seem very reluctant to offer.
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