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Old 11th May 2020, 13:55
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Sorry I just read that and spilt my cafe over the screen and got pain au chocolat crumbs in my keyboard...you're are right of course, depending on the metrics France has got one of the worse....and the winner is....??

I think one of the big worries the French Government have, and have expressed quite strongly in recent weeks, is the UK's awful Covid-19 problem and the risk of travellers from the UK bringing the virus into France....so I'm just as puzzled by the the idea of "free" travel between the UK and France as you are- or maybe the French will maintain their fairly draconian inbound restrictions on individuals travelling from the UK..we will see.
Well the French have already confirmed that they will not impose a 14 day quarantine on UK visitors if we do the same for theirs. But that is not the point - if the science decides that a quarantine is needed the OK, but then why give an exception to one of the worst hit places in Europe?. Also what is the difference between a train, a boat and an airplane - why do arrivals on aircraft need to be treated differently to arrivals by the other 2 methods?.

As I said - I like to see the science behind this decision.
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Old 11th May 2020, 14:28
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Just to be smug, tonight is the last night of my 14 day quarantine, it expires at 23.59. Should I go out and paint the town red or just rollover and carry on sleeping?

Seriously, I have been in isolation for nearly 4 weeks now in two countries, and it is not as easy as you might think. We have managed it without redeemable domestic stress, but many couples might not. I can think of a few women in my past that would have been ropeable after four days of it. You need to keep a careful watch on your stress states, and work out a plan to be sound at the end of it. As Mrs anxiao pointed out, you'd better stay out of jail if this is the home version of it.

Anyway a bottle of bubbles has been opened and we are off to our respective delights tomorrow, me to the doctor for a PSA test and she to a hairdressers.

First world problems really but don't dismiss the 14 days as a reading/web surfing holiday.
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Old 11th May 2020, 14:37
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According to the BBC News web site "The government later clarified that the rules would apply not just to air passengers, but also those arriving by other means of travel such as train or ferry."
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Old 11th May 2020, 15:15
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Old 11th May 2020, 15:56
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Greece seems to have managed to control coronavirus despite being almost bankrupt. Compare & contrast. WHO " declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 30 January 2020." Not a pandemic, but a pretty stern warning.
Every country was free to follow or not follow WHO's advice. The UK ignored it.
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Old 11th May 2020, 16:40
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Originally Posted by peter we View Post
Every country was free to follow or not follow WHO's advice. The UK ignored it.
That's not completely true. They decided to cherry pick parts of the WHO's advice when it suited them i.e. allowing reduced standard of PPE for health workers when we failed to provide enough.
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Old 11th May 2020, 17:11
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So riddle me this...if I need to make a quick trip (2 days) to the UK for compassionate reasons (saying a final goodbye) from overseas, using a UK passport, do I have to self isolate in the UK for 2 weeks? Seems unnecessary when I can do the isolation after returning back to my current home.
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Old 11th May 2020, 17:18
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Originally Posted by standbykid View Post
So riddle me this...if I need to make a quick trip (2 days) to the UK for compassionate reasons (saying a final goodbye) from overseas, using a UK passport, do I have to self isolate in the UK for 2 weeks? Seems unnecessary when I can do the isolation after returning back to my current home.
Travel via France?
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Old 11th May 2020, 17:39
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Originally Posted by standbykid View Post
So riddle me this...if I need to make a quick trip (2 days) to the UK for compassionate reasons (saying a final goodbye) from overseas, using a UK passport, do I have to self isolate in the UK for 2 weeks? Seems unnecessary when I can do the isolation after returning back to my current home.
Presumably given the requirement to self-isolate at a designated address, you'd only be able to say your final goodbye if you were staying at the person in question's place of residence. You do raise an interesting point: the way the guidelines have been presented, stays of fewer than 14 days would seem impossible.

Badly thought out political optics.
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Old 11th May 2020, 17:39
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Travel via France?
Seriously wondering if that's the way to go.
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Old 11th May 2020, 17:45
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Even more interestingly, what's the point of restrictions which can be worked around so easily? You either do a proper border closing and quarantine for the odd arrival for, say, 2 months - or don't do anything other than some rudimentary form of health control at the airport. Anything in between will achieve nothing but smash up whatever's left of the industry for no real benefit to the population.
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Old 11th May 2020, 17:46
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Originally Posted by standbykid View Post
Seriously wondering if that's the way to go.
We don't care. They don't care.
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Old 11th May 2020, 18:45
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Is that the same WHO who probably knew about the virus last December, but for their own reasons did not act upon it? I would not trust them with anything from now on.
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Old 11th May 2020, 19:00
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Its currently not possible for non-french residents to travel into France. Travellers on non French and EU passports need to self declare on arrival in France that either they are going to their primary residence, or working in medical missions, diplomatic, or aircrew/transport workers etc. It would appear from the latest comminque from Elysee Palace that our fantastic negotiator Boris has a achieved a one-way deal in favour of the French who can travel to the UK freely, and back to France at will. Thousands of UK citizens with homes in France are not allowed that priviledge.
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Old 11th May 2020, 19:29
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... It would appear from the latest comminque from Elysee Palace that our fantastic negotiator Boris has a achieved a one-way deal in favour of the French who can travel to the UK freely, and back to France at will. ...
"No quarantine measures would apply to travellers coming from France at this stage; any measures on either side would be taken in a concerted and reciprocal manner."
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Old 11th May 2020, 19:42
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Is that the same WHO who probably knew about the virus last December, but for their own reasons did not act upon it? I would not trust them with anything from now on.
Yep. The same WHO who, on 3 February, were urging countries not to close their borders to travellers from China.

”WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says 151 cases of the disease and one death have been confirmed in 23 countries outside China. He says this small number of cases can be managed without countries resorting to extreme measures.“

https://www.voanews.com/science-heal...reigners-china

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Old 11th May 2020, 19:49
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Originally Posted by standbykid View Post
So riddle me this...if I need to make a quick trip (2 days) to the UK for compassionate reasons (saying a final goodbye) from overseas, using a UK passport, do I have to self isolate in the UK for 2 weeks? Seems unnecessary when I can do the isolation after returning back to my current home.
I can see medical quarantine is a custome that have faded from memory among many.
To recap, in principle you should on arrival not have contact with anyone and relocate to your place of quarantine immediately. Only after the required quarantine (self isolation) time have passed should you come out into society and do your planned business. When you return home you will probably have to go into quarantine again for the length of time your country require for foreign arrivals.
Meaning there is no longer such a thing as a quick 2 day trip abroad. If a loved one abroad even within Europe passed you could be asking for a funeral in 2 weeks time and be doing a 1 month round trip including return quarantine. If there was passenger flights available, besides the limits many countries have set on how many can attend gatherings including a funeral.

There could be limited policing of this but if you turn up at the airport agian 2 days after arrival there could be some awkward questions to answer.

This type of quarantining is not a new idea. Ellis Island outside New York was used for that purpose for many years. Other harbours had dedicated island docks or buoys where arriving foreign ships had to stay for a certain period of time before anybody was alloed to put a foot ashore. Some towns had dedicated facilities just outside the town walls for this purpose even for visitors not coming by ship. Maybe the whole thing works better in those countries that bring foreign arrivals diretly from the airport, no matter what passport, to a dedicated guarded compound for their quarantine. I believe I read that is the practice in Australia, or whas it New Zealand, or both.
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Old 11th May 2020, 20:48
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Originally Posted by standbykid View Post
So riddle me this...if I need to make a quick trip (2 days) to the UK for compassionate reasons (saying a final goodbye) from overseas, using a UK passport, do I have to self isolate in the UK for 2 weeks? Seems unnecessary when I can do the isolation after returning back to my current home.
I am hoping you are joking, but in the event you are not.....

We want you to isolate so you dont bring the lurgy into our country. We have enough of it already here without you bringing more into circulation.
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Old 11th May 2020, 21:29
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
"No quarantine measures would apply to travellers coming from France at this stage; any measures on either side would be taken in a concerted and reciprocal manner."
Current measures are not reciprocal and havent been since the lockdown. Brits cannot travel to France unless they live in France and can prove France is their PRIMARY residence. On the other hand the French can visit the UK for as short or long a period as they wish, and return to France with no restriction. This is not a reciprocal situation.
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Old 11th May 2020, 22:03
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Yes, I do wonder if it's a case of "we've agreed to reciprocate so there's no quarantine for Brits if you can get into France , but (like all non-French nationals and barring certain exceptions ) you still aren't actually allowed in".
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