14 day quarantine

[Moonwalker]

Originally Posted by GKOC41

From experience;

Stay on aircraft during turnaround - stay in aircraft foot print - no issues.
Get off the aircraft down route - trouble n strife you may have to oblige with that countries regs also
Airlines will need to negotiate with UK Gov for rules and dispensations e.g. stay in Airport Hotel

Most hotels are closed in UK though.

[Robin757]

Booking a holiday/flight

I cannot imagine many people will be booking many of Ryanair’s summer flights now. Jet2 want to start up again soon too. I feel sorry for the staff if this means more redundancies now.
I am due to fly to Zurich from Manchester in August. I would be surprised if Swiss ever fly to Manchester again.

[PilotLZ]

The present-day reality is a terrible place to be in for British airline personnel. A big round of retrenchment now seems almost unavoidable at the likes of Jet2 and TUI. Not only will further flights be cancelled (at least until 1 July, when hopefully the 3-week measure review will put an end to this insanity), but people's confidence in airlines and travel agencies will be undermined even further. As if Thomas Cook, FlyBe and the lockdown haven't been enough in this way. But that's what happens when policy making is based entirely on "keeping your face" in the face of restrictive measures for UK travellers from other European countries. And I see this absurd decision as nothing else than a reciprocal reply to said countries with a better epidemiological situation.

[wiggy]

Originally Posted by Moonwalker

Most hotels are closed in UK though.

They are but some of the hotels around the major airports are open to provide accommodation for essential workers so they could be used in the circumstances GKOC41 describes.

TBH I have a sneaking suspicion that the 14 day quarantine for UK arrivals won't actually happen - it's been announced today, but in two weeks time will we suddenly find "the science" no longer supports it?

[carmel]

Quarantine plans for UK arrivals unveiled
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52774854

People arriving in the UK must self-isolate for 14 days from 8 June to help slow the spread of coronavirus, the government has said.

Travellers will need to tell the government where they will quarantine, with enforcement through random spot checks and £1,000 fines in England.

Passengers arriving in the UK will be required to fill out an online locator contact form - providing details of where they will spend their 14 days in self-isolation.The Home Office said the proposed accommodation will need to meet necessary requirements, such as a hotel or a private address with friends or family.

There will be a fine of £100 for failure to complete the form, and the Border Force will have the power to refuse entry to non-UK citizens who do not comply with the new regulations.

[Phantom Driver]

Michael O'Leary is right when he says the whole idea is " bonkers " . Suspect he's also right when he sees another U turn ahead on this .

[Del Prado]

Originally Posted by PilotLZ

I see this absurd decision as nothing else than a reciprocal reply to said countries with a better epidemiological situation.

I wasn’t aware of any european countries imposing quarantine on arrivals from U.K. - except Ireland and they aren’t included in U.K. quarantine measures.
Which other european countries are imposing 14 day quarantine on U.K. arrivals?

[Del Prado]

Originally Posted by hunterboy

There seems to be some debate as to whether airline crew will be exempt from the quarantine. Does anyone have any official references?

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...k-border-rules

edited for direct link to list.

[Alloy]

According the the above linked notes:
“Exemptions from self-isolation requirements:

• crew, as defined in paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 to the Air Navigation Order 2016(h), where such crew have travelled to the UK in the course of their work.”

[PAXboy]

GS-Alpha is correct:

1. Govt does not want to pay airlines for poltical reasons
2. Govt imposes quarantine to 'make country safe'
3. Airlines can choose to operate - they are not being restricted by govt
4. If airlines choose not to operate - that is their choice
5. If you break the quarantine you get fined
6. If more cases develop, govt says "It must be your fault"
7. Govt win both ways as airlines can operate and you can travel.

When we arrived in JNB on Feb 8th, we had forehead temperature test. Subsequently, we discover that Covid-19 can spread via asymptomatic carrier - so this was not much of an effective check. BUT it told me that the South African govt knew there was a problem. When we returned 19th Feb and, as of today, no temperature testing in UK intl airports. If you think the Guardian always attack the govt, my letter to them pointing out that the UK was at least three months behind the South Africans in recognising the airport problem, was not printed!

However, there was a letter from a person who arrived at LHR in March (I think it was) All pax given a contact form on the flight, asking for loads of detail and contact information. On arrival - no one to collect the form. She asked at Passport at Customs and of airport staff - no one knew of the form or what to do with it and no one collected it. She left the airport.

At long last the fallacy of the British being good in a crisis etcetera has met its Waterloo.

[hunterboy]

• crew, as defined in paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 to the Air Navigation Order 2016(h), where such crew have travelled to the UK in the course of their work

by my interpretation, that rules out crew commuting to work?

[PilotLZ]

Originally Posted by Del Prado

I wasn’t aware of any european countries imposing quarantine on arrivals from U.K. - except Ireland and they aren’t included in U.K. quarantine measures.
Which other european countries are imposing 14 day quarantine on U.K. arrivals?

The majority require everyone entering from abroad to quarantine for 14 days, even if it's their own national. Exemptions are now gradually being granted to travellers from countries with a good COVID-19 profile.

[Dannyboy39]

"civil aviation inspectors engaged on inspection duties"

That wording is a bit woolly - I'd interpret that as SAFA inspectors, NAA inspectors, airline engineering inspectors and aircraft owner inspectors.

"crew, as defined in paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 to the Air Navigation Order 2016(h), where such crew have travelled to the UK in the course of their work... a person who resides in the UK and who pursues an activity as an employed or self-employed person in another country to which they usually go at least once a week"

I'd interpret that as including commuting pilots as they have travelled to the UK to work or commuting to a non-UK base.

All down to interpretation as always, but feel free to correct me.

[Baron57]

Even general public who don’t fall into a “crew” category can still use the final listed exemption- provided they “usually” go overseas to persue “an activity” once per week! This regulation is a complete nonsense (thankfully) just paying lip service to the media.

From gov.uk list of exemptions....

“a person who resides in the UK and who pursues an activity as an employed or self-employed person in another country to which they usually go at least once a week”

[peter we]

Originally Posted by Del Prado

I wasn’t aware of any european countries imposing quarantine on arrivals from U.K. - except Ireland and they aren’t included in U.K. quarantine measures.
Which other european countries are imposing 14 day quarantine on U.K. arrivals?

Most of the EU, except France and Germany, USA. Probably most of the rest of the world. Don't know how many countries still have outright bans on UK citizens.

[ClassCbird]

A warning about 14 day self isolation for crew

I am posting my concerns about the ridiculous rules that require pilots to self isolate for 14 days after each and every duty regardless of a negative Covid test result.
I have friends at EK as an example, who are in permanent self isolation and have been for 2 months now with no sign of this abating. (They are flying a duty every 14 days so cannot leave the house at all or interact with their own wives and children while at home...those are the rules stipulated by the local health authority.) This is leading to depression, aggression, binge drinking....you know all the things that solitary confinement would cause? I cannot believe in this day and age with more knowledge on mental health issues, that this practice is happening. Has the aviation industry forgotten so quickly LAM Mozambique airlines flight 470? Or Germanwings 9525?
Please, please,please put pressure on your health authorities in whatever country are implementing these non sensical 'rules' before we face another cockpit suicide due to an unsustainable and hellish existence away from work.

[peter we]

Originally Posted by PilotLZ

Exemptions are now gradually being granted to travellers from countries with a good COVID-19 profile.

Which probably explains the UK's quarantine. UK cannot get exemptions to other countries if it allows infected travelers into the UK.

Eradicating COVID is the route taken by the rest of the world and we will have to follow to be allowed back in. No more herd immunity strategy, Dom.

[GS-Alpha]

Originally Posted by hunterboy

by my interpretation, that rules out crew commuting to work?

‘In the course of their work’ does indeed mean during the time in which they are working, so presumably does not allow for personal travel to and from work.

[wiggy]

Reference the question about "Which other european countries are imposing 14 day quarantine on U.K. arrivals?" and

Originally Posted by peter we

Most of the EU, except France and Germany, USA. .

Whilst it's absolutely correct that France doesn't have formal quarantine for arrivals from the UK that is almost irrelevant because the French still have some pretty serious restrictions on who can enter from anywhere in the world - that has been the case for several weeks.

For example ATM a Brit not resident in France can't just rock up at the Border and say they are arriving to visit friends or are on a holiday - they'll be denied entry, so quarantine not required...

FYI currently to enter France an individual has to be able to demonstrate (either prior to boarding a flight, and/or on arrival at the Border) a valid reason for entry into the country, such as being an essential worker, frontier worker, etc..FWIW that does include crew on personal travel going to/from work - uniform not required but you'll almost certainly be required to produce ID and other supporting paperwork..

Full list is in this link:

https://www.ufe.org/actualites/covid...-international

Brings us back to the point that some countries have been taking this seriously for quite some time.

[kendrick47247]

Originally Posted by Dannyboy39

"crew, as defined in paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 to the Air Navigation Order 2016(h), where such crew have travelled to the UK in the course of their work... a person who resides in the UK and who pursues an activity as an employed or self-employed person in another country to which they usually go at least once a week"

I'd interpret that as including commuting pilots as they have travelled to the UK to work or commuting to a non-UK base.

I don’t think that includes commuters at all. As a poster above mentioned In the course of their work would be on duty, so unless you’ve operated or are officially positioning for duty then I’d say you’re out of luck.