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Old 10th Feb 2020, 16:17
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Brighton A&E sets up dedicated area for patients

A seperate area has been set up at accident and emergency to deal with potential coronavirus cases.

The Royal Sussex County Hospital has set up a dedicated pod to deal with possible cases of the disease. Signs direct those possibly contaminated to use the special entrance rather then enter the main A&E department.






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British Airways has extended the suspension of flights serving Chinese cities amid concerns over the spread of coronavirus.

On Monday the airline said flights to and from Beijing and Shanghai had been cancelled until March 31.

In a statement, BA said: “We are contacting customers on cancelled flights so we can discuss their travel options, including rebooking onto other carriers where possible, full refunds or booking with BA for a later date of travel. Safety is at the heart of everything we do and we will keep the situation under review.”

Virgin Atlantic extended the suspension of its flights to mainland China last week. The airline said flights on its Heathrow-Shanghai route would not be in operation until March 28.
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So much for the quarantine.......

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9326591.html

Coronavirus could have incubation period of 24 days — 10 days longer than previously thought
Careful with this one. It's a single study that hasn't been peer-reviewed or, obviously for that reason, published in an authoritative journal. Also, 24 days would be much longer than is typical for viral acute respiratory illnesses. Finally, the outbreak in China has been, sudden, explosive and has resulted in not a little chaos and confusion. It's pretty likely that date of exposure is not really known or knowable with much accuracy for a very large number of cases.

So, probably best to pay attention but also take it with a grain of salt and watch for additional research on incubation (latency) periods.

WHO continues to recommend 14 days for contact followups and advises that the median incubation period appears to be 5-6 days.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-de...-coronaviruses
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On the Diamond Princess, the previous daily trend:
1,2,4,10,20,41,61 - yesterday 70, today 136.

Good luck to all there.
Just remmber, despite the tight quarters, there are over 3500 other folks on the ship so the rate of infection is still under 3%.
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Just remmber, despite the tight quarters, there are over 3500 other folks on the ship so the rate of infection is still under 3%.
Tight quarters indeed, and that can really be the problem. The service crew are living four to a room and eat buffet style. Those same people are preparing and delivering food to the passengers. With an incubation period of five or six days I suspect it's too late to prevent spread. If tomorrow's number is 200 cases the cat is long out of the bag.... Does the 14 day quarantine clock reset each time there is a new case?
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Update for 10 Feb. Total number of cases:


"Cases" are number of cases reported in mainland China (M. China) and rest of the world (ROW), from John Hopkins University.
Y-axis is plotted as a logarithm, so straight lines on graph show the exponential rate.
Coloured lines on chart are lines of best fit to mainland China data showing the daily increase in number of cases.


The rate of increase each day:


"Daily change" for mainland China (M. China) and rest of the world (ROW), from John Hopkins University.
Coloured lines on chart are linear lines of best fit.
Lines extending beyond data points are extrapolated and therefore not data-based but are speculative.


The rate of increase each day is trending downwards which is good. The recent rate of increase (since 2 Feb) in mainland China has dropped from 16% (based on data to 6 Feb) to 12% (based on data to 10 Feb). Overall the trend for mainland China matches the trend for the ROW pretty closely, with the total numbers in the ROW being about 1% of the mainland China numbers. If there is under reporting in either series it is either (1) too small to notice or (2) both series under-report by the same proportional amount.

The reduction in daily increase is significant. For example, had the initial trend of 50% per day increase continued to today, there would be about 1,087,000 cases in China and about 10,800 cases in the ROW, whereas the actual numbers today are a fraction of that. So major strides have been made to contain the spread of nCoV so far.

Will we get to zero growth on or about 12 Feb? I've been doing these graphs for a while now and the extrapolation on the daily change graph has consistently crossed the zero line on 12 Feb (graph on 8 Feb, 7 Feb, 6 Feb, 3 Feb). We could be surprised by a new surge in numbers but I remain optimistic that growth will reach zero sometime in February, and hopefully soon.
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Originally Posted by FlareArmed2
Update for 10 Feb. Total number of cases:


"Cases" are number of cases reported in mainland China (M. China) and rest of the world (ROW), from John Hopkins University.
Y-axis is plotted as a logarithm, so straight lines on graph show the exponential rate.
Coloured lines on chart are lines of best fit to mainland China data showing the daily increase in number of cases.


The rate of increase each day:


"Daily change" for mainland China (M. China) and rest of the world (ROW), from John Hopkins University.
Coloured lines on chart are linear lines of best fit.
Lines extending beyond data points are extrapolated and therefore not data-based but are speculative.


The rate of increase each day is trending downwards which is good.


The reduction in daily increase is significant.

Will we get to zero growth on or about 12 Feb? I've been doing these graphs for a while now and the extrapolation on the daily change graph has consistently crossed the zero line on 12 Feb (graph on 8 Feb, 7 Feb, 6 Feb, 3 Feb). We could be surprised by a new surge in numbers but I remain optimistic that growth will reach zero sometime in February, and hopefully soon.
You are referring to the differential, which is the rate of change of the numbers of cases, not the additional numbers of cases. Once this goes into a negative territory, the case numbers will still continue to increase, the increase will just not be exponential or accelerating, and that is definitely good news, it indicates that some form of mitigation is occurring, which may be isolation, weather change, infection control discipline, under reporting of numbers, but the "rate" of change is altering in a desirable direction. To get the case numbers to peak, the additional cases on a daily basis have to drop to zero, which is well off in the future. So far, the virus has been playing fair, it hasn't altered it's behaviour greatly, so if the collective knowledge and skills of the medical fraternity come up with effective protocols, and the great majority of us the unwashed masses adhere to those protocols, then this can be curtailed.

We appear to be surprised as always that the medical system ends up being involved in the transmission of these viruses; they are a natural focus for people with infection, and the understanding that the patient has a new form of infection takes a finite time to ascertain. In the absence of information, then infections arise.




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Originally Posted by CurtainTwitcher
If, and I stress if this change of definition turns out to be correct, then the official Chines figures are cannot be considered reliable to tracking the progress in their population...
I get figures from John Hopkins, they in turn get their data from a wide variety of sources not just the Chinese government. They have a blog here for those that wish to deep dive.

At the end of the day I don't really know how accurate anything on the internet is. I can point out that the trajectory of data in mainland China matches the rest of the world. If there is a significant diversion between the two then I think the idea that some numbers don't add up would be a supportable hypothesis; but I don't see that right now. But that's just me, you might have another take on it. I honestly don't know.
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Beijing reports 5 new confirmed cases of novel coronavirus infection - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Beijing reports 5 new confirmed cases of novel coronavirus infection

BEIJING, Feb. 11 (Xinhua) -- Beijing reported five new confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus on Monday, bringing the number of infections in the capital to 342, the Beijing Municipal Health Commission said Tuesday. The new confirmed infected patients have been sent to designated medical institutions for treatment, the commission said.

By the end of Monday, a total of 342 infections have been reported in Beijing. Among them, 48 patients have been discharged from hospital after recovery and there were three deaths. Statistics showed the infections are scattered in 15 of the 16 districts of Beijing except Pinggu District. Among the confirmed cases, 25 were from outside the capital.

Beijing has rolled out a series of measures to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus. Beijing subway and bus operators increased the frequency of buses and subway trains, limited passenger numbers during rush hours and enhanced disinfection as the extended New Year holiday ended and more employees returned to work.

Residential communities are also required to enhance anti-virus measures.
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https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1822...lling-control/

Brighton coronavirus: 'It is spiralling out of control'

Health bosses have let coronavirus “spiral out of control” by “intentionally hiding” information.

That is according to furious Professor Samer Bagaeen, a leading figure on Brighton and Hove City Council’s Health board. He was speaking as the fifth case of the killer virus was diagnosed in Brighton........
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https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1822...lling-control/

Brighton coronavirus: 'It is spiralling out of control'

Health bosses have let coronavirus “spiral out of control” by “intentionally hiding” information.

That is according to furious Professor Samer Bagaeen, a leading figure on Brighton and Hove City Council’s Health board. He was speaking as the fifth case of the killer virus was diagnosed in Brighton........
So we may gain a sense of proportion - this local outbreak was caused by one bloke visiting a pub. The principle is the same but the extent not - yet.

Meantime unfortunate black humour by the BBC today:




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So we may gain a sense of proportion - this local outbreak was caused by one bloke visiting a pub. The principle is the same but the extent not - yet.
Unfortunately not true.

Two of those who were with him in the ski chalet were local Brighton GPs (doctors) who returned to work on their return. The clinic of of one, County Oak, has been closed and disinfected as other staff have been identified as infected and the NHS is trying to trace the patients they have seen since their return.

A medical student from Sussex University, who has doing training at the clinic, has been taken from the university campus accommodation in an ambulance and is now in isolation. A Bevendean primary school teacher who was in close contact of one of those identified as infected has been placed in isolation and the parents told they can keep their children at home.

And so it spreads.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1822...our-new-cases/
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Thanks for that correction ORAC. Here is the source of the pub story:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ench-Alps.html
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Steve Walsh identified as the Superspreader in this case.

Apparently 'Fully Recovered' according to the Evening Standard.....which goes on to say he never experienced any symptoms ????

So he's apparently miraculously cured from what exactly? Poor journalism or is this virus more sinister than we thought??
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Which is the problem, carriers can be totally asymptomatic as they spread the infection without being detected and diagnosed.

For a bit of history......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon
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There are now Chinese Airlines flying internal European routes after arriving from China on at least 1 pairing I know of. Maybe it’s been going on for a while but it’s the first I’ve heard of it. BA stopping flying is good but these guys aren’t.
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If there was absolutely one place you didn’t want one of those two GPs to visit........

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1822...our-new-cases/

Nursing home sealed off

A nursing home is closed to visitors after a GP with coronavirus attended last week. Two Brighton doctors have been diagnosed with coronavirus since the outbreak in the city.

A spokeswoman for Patcham Nursing Home in Brighton confirmed they had stopped allowing visitors.........
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Name for the virus

So now it is called Covid-19.
Better than Novi-chok.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/west...navirus-2020-2

'Floating around the ocean': A Westerdam cruise ship has been turned away by 5 countries despite no passengers testing positive for coronavirus

On Tuesday, Thailand became the fifth country to deny entry to the Westerdam luxury liner amid coronavirus fears.

The luxury liner departed Hong Kong on February 1 and set sail on a 14-day cruise to Taiwan and Japan. Although Westerdam operator, Holland America Line, says none of its 1,455 guests and 802 crew members have coronavirus, the ship has already been turned away by Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines, and the US territory of Guam.

The World Health Organization said Thai officials may board the ship to investigate the passengers' health conditions before deciding whether they should be "allowed to eventually disembark in Thailand."

Some passengers are growing extremely concerned after being stranded at sea, while others are trying to keep their spirits up.......
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Interesting perspective:

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