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Ryanair pilot strike

Old 17th Jul 2018, 20:00
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Originally Posted by ROW_BOT View Post
Just to be clear - you do know it wasn’t MOL who set up RyanAir?
Sir Anthony Ryan did that. O’Leary was just a goffer who in fact tried to persuade him to shut it down.
He got a share in the company from Ryan if he’d agree to babysit it and to try out Herb Kelleher’s new business model. Which worked well for him. Thank you Herb!

I see MOL in a very Trumpian style. A bigmouth who inherited money and a good idea, and believes he’s a genius for making it work. His minions regularly outwitted him to make Ryanair a success. He took the credit afterward. So like The Donald. A great self promoter if nothing else.
Don’t be taken in by the bluster.
What an excellent quote. I wonder if Harry knew that ? Or shall we add it to the reams of other facts that he’s wrong about.

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One of the main indicators of running a good business is to collect minions below you that out wit you, and fire those that cannot.
In the case of both MOL and the Orange One; finding minions to outwit them seems to be a rather simple task.

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Old 20th Jul 2018, 09:19
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Well done RYR pilots for displaying some backbone. Pilots are conditioned to be "can-do" and get on with the job. Unfortunately this is often taken advantage of and works against us in negotiating terms. Time to learn to say "NO".
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 14:33
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This strike is not going well for the Pilots. They are barely making an impact. Occassional 10% cancelled flights with most passengers being accommodated is not enough to crush the will of the opponent.
The opponent is making it appear that they are the good guy who is prioritising families ahead of business travellers to the UK as a result of the pilot strike.
Pilots here might not see it like that but that is how it looks to the passengers.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 18:27
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Originally Posted by diple View Post
This strike is not going well for the Pilots. They are barely making an impact. Occassional 10% cancelled flights with most passengers being accommodated is not enough to crush the will of the opponent.
The opponent is making it appear that they are the good guy who is prioritising families ahead of business travellers to the UK as a result of the pilot strike.
Pilots here might not see it like that but that is how it looks to the passengers.
Not enough impact if the do this only in 1 country. Do it in 3-4 countries and you‘ll see much more cancellations. 600 flights cancelled because CC know how to do it.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 18:41
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Originally Posted by ExDubai View Post


Not enough impact if the do this only in 1 country. Do it in 3-4 countries and you‘ll see much more cancellations. 600 flights cancelled because CC know how to do it.
That is over two days, not one so less effective and to be honest I think the problem for cabin crew is easier solved through contracted staff who are not in short supply compared to pilots.
I do think Ryanair paid less respect to Cabin Crew's ability to organise than Pilots or maybe Ryanair are just so cheap that they wouldn't invest in avoiding cabin crew strikes until the strikes actually hit.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 23:09
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Ryanair seem to be heading for a showdown with the CAA due to a clash over compensation payments caused by the strikes.

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Old 21st Jul 2018, 04:54
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“UK law far behind...”. Definitely! Proved by the outrageous decision to allow British Airways to use Qatar Airways (whose crews would have faced deportation or imprisonment if they’d refused!) to break their cabin crew strike. Even that didn’t work. Full credit to B A cabin crew who stuck it out!
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 06:12
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Would I be a bit of a cynic if I see these strikes as 'useful' for saving up pilots' flying hours to avoid the problems of last September? In other words, a few bits of disjointed disruption now is better than that big disruption in September.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 09:48
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A bit of disjointed disruption at the busiest time of year? Doesn't really sound plausible.

What I suggest is happening, is Ryanair having failed to grasp the seriousness of the situation, and the resolve of their cabin- and cockpit crews. They've publicly said they'll acknowledge unions, but not any union. Particularly, Ryanair doesn't seem to recognise any existing unions. Since then all they've done is give staff a song and a dance, trying to stall for as long as possible hoping it'll all go away.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 10:37
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A bit of disjointed disruption at the busiest time of year? Doesn't really sound plausible.

What I suggest is happening, is Ryanair having failed to grasp the seriousness of the situation, and the resolve of their cabin- and cockpit crews. They've publicly said they'll acknowledge unions, but not any union. Particularly, Ryanair doesn't seem to recognise any existing unions. Since then all they've done is give staff a song and a dance, trying to stall for as long as possible hoping it'll all go away.
Mr O'Leary like all bullies will extend and pretend.

They will turn themselves inside out doing everything, then finally having exhausted all other options, do the right thing...
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 11:17
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Originally Posted by Rated De View Post
Mr O'Leary like all bullies will extend and pretend.

They will turn themselves inside out doing everything, then finally having exhausted all other options, do the right thing...
The right thing from an industrial relations perspective appears to be to continue hiring contractors who don't strike even when law permits them to do so.
If Ryanair Management sees forward bookings begin to struggle then they might change strategy but that hasn't happened so far.
I'm not seeing the motivator in either financial or legal terms which compels Ryanair Management to genuinely embrace the Unions if at all.
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 11:16
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Talking

I'm not seeing the motivator in either financial or legal terms which compels Ryanair Management to genuinely embrace the Unions if at all.
There’s one.....

as for.........
Chief Executive Michael O’Leary said he expected more strikes during the summer “as we are not prepared to concede to unreasonable demands that will compromise either our low fares or our highly efficient model.

He also warned staff of possible job losses if strikes went on.
That would be sensible. Sacking staff when you don’t have enough as it is?. Model is not broken perhaps but it’s definitely needing some adhesive to stop the wheels falling off. And they are falling off if the reports are accurate.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 16:35
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Ryanair warns Dutch passengers to claim compensation directl
Ryanair is now threatening a claim-buro in the Netherlands with legal action.
It will ‘take all necessary measures’ to protect the contractual relationship with its passengers.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 21:53
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Originally Posted by golfyankeesierra View Post

Ryanair is now threatening a claim-buro in the Netherlands with legal action.
It will ‘take all necessary measures’ to protect the contractual relationship with its passengers.
It will ‘take all necessary measures’ to protect the contractual relationship with its passengers shareholders.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 09:34
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https://www.rte.ie/news/business/201...r-dublin-cuts/

O Leary and his bullyboys showing their true colours.
It would be great if the Board decided that the Job cuts began at the very top.
Time for all Ryanair staff to stand up to these bully’s .
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 09:34
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Sky Reporting the following:
Ryanair has taken the unusual step of publishing staff pay and benefit details online as workers for the airline stage strikes.
The budget airline hit back at Irish pilots staging a third 24-hour strike over working conditions.
Ryanair posted details on its website of pilots' monthly and annual salaries, which included captains from Ireland, the UK, Belgium, Germany and Portugal.
The airline claimed the pilots earned between €190,000 and €220,000 (£169,000 and £195,000) year.

Not about money then I'd guess?
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 10:00
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Given Ryanair have posted the wage slips details of the earnings that various captains earn at various different bases in different countries, would it not also be a good idea to reveal (other than the Basic) the Social and PAYE headings also, just to clarify?. I am interested to know what the other (second) largest amount is on each payslip. If you look purely at the Basic salary, then it's less than other operator's Command salaries for equivalent fleet position and size in the main. The bulk of salary is made up of something else (pre-tax?), and also - what position in Ryanair do these individuals hold? Base Captains? Directors of some sort? or just ordinary line pilots?.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 10:07
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Dublin reduction!

Good Morning
And the plot thickens!
According newspaper Rte.ie Ryanair has told them that this winter it reduces the Dublin based aircraft from 30 to 25.
100 pilots and 200 cabin crew has been given notice of temporary redundancy and an offer to transfer to Poland this winter.
Union busting on a high level!
Not sure the timing is right.
Correction , : I am sure the timing is NOT right.
Time to dust off that old CV, me thinks.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 10:17
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Originally Posted by OutsideCAS View Post
That would be sensible. Sacking staff when you don’t have enough as it is?. Model is not broken perhaps but it’s definitely needing some adhesive to stop the wheels falling off. And they are falling off if the reports are accurate.
On the other hand if bookings fall off a cliff then you won't need so many staff, like say 20% fewer... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKBN1KF0X5

Low-cost end of the market in any industry is notoriously sensitive, pax don't fly ryanair because they like them, they put up with ryanair because it does the job at a low price, the minute it stops doing the job or having lowest price, the pax will be gone. Ryanair doesn't do frequent-flyer-miles or airport-lounges, if you have a bad flight there isn't anywhere to upgrade you to on the next one, and MOL will happily leave pax stranded without assistance or EU261 compensation. Every time that happens it's at least one pax lost, for a long time.

MOL doesn't care of course, plenty of work for his planes elsewhere in the EU, apparently, and the crew of course provided they want to transfer to another EU country with the same standards of EU law and judicial independence (*cough*)...
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 11:14
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The Irish Independent has more details of Ryanair's latest moves, here:
Ryanair has today written to over 300 employees warning them that their services may not be required from October 28.

The protective notice to staff has been issued after the board took the decision to cut its Dublin-based fleet by 20pc for the winter.

Over 100 pilots and 200 cabin crew employees will be affected by Ryanair’s decision to cut its Dublin fleet to 24 from 30 for the winter period.

The low-fares airline said that the decision had been driven by the rapid growth of its Polish charter airline, allied to a down turn in forward bookings and airfares in Ireland, which it said was "partly as a result of recent rolling strikes by Irish pilots."

The airline said that the strikes had resulted in consumer confidence in the reliability of its Irish flight schedules being disturbed.
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