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Old 9th Nov 2018, 15:46
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[/QUOTE I do have to say that this photo seemed like a blatant attempt to cause damage to the companies reputation.
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I don't often reply in the rumours and news. However I have been following this post since the beginning as I had sort of a vested interest - I had a flight booked with Ryanair back in September. Having been on the receiving end of one of the strikes - the return flight was cancelled at short notice, potentially leaving me and my woman stranded in Germany - I feel the need to respond. Whilst the pic of the cabin crew pretending to be asleep on the floor may have been childish, I believe that Ryanair have done a great job already of damaging the company's reputation by the number of strikes that have already taken place. I for one will never fly with them again - and this was my first and last flight with them!

It is to be hoped that the thousands of other passengers who have had flights cancelled by them will feel the same way. Our return flight was to have taken place on a Wednesday but was cancelled on a Tuesday afternoon, around 2.30pm German time, but by the time we found out it was around 6pm. Ryanair were only able to offer another flight home on the Friday afternoon but we had to be home due to commitments on the day of the original return flight. Therefore we had to try and arrange a flight with another airline. By that time we were left with the dregs that nobody else wanted to pay for - We had to pay around 1200 Euros with Eurowings in business class to get home.

Ryanair would only refund the return part of the flight which amounted to a total of around £83.

My sympathies lie with the flight and cabin crew in this dispute.

So as I say, Ryanair themselves have damaged their own reputation.
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 16:39
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Originally Posted by kessler1
My sympathies lie with the flight and cabin crew in this dispute.

So as I say, Ryanair themselves have damaged their own reputation.
I agree they damage their own reputation however they are the company, they are free to do whatever damage they want. Employees can't damage the reputation and get a free pass. If you wrote defamatory statements or posted pictures on Facebook etc. about whatever company you work for I am sure your company would take action. I do have sympathy for the crew who are legitimately trying to gain working conditions and job security, but as I said in an earlier post this is not a legitimate way to gain those things.

All of these incidents will definitely make it harder for the unions to do their job as the discussions on working conditions and pay can be side tracked to discuss these events, that will cause undue delay to those workers who quietly wait for better conditions. By all means have legal strikes, work to rule and don't give any leeway to the company but follow all of these in a professional manner. You never look good trying to make someone else look bad.
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 18:14
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Originally Posted by flyingmed
I do have sympathy for the crew who are legitimately trying to gain working conditions and job security, but as I said in an earlier post this is not a legitimate way to gain those things.
We are talking about Ryanair

The airline themselves, through their own repeated actions, set the moral bar in the gutter.

It is well known that employees have tried for years to improve conditions through 'legitimate' channels, only to be foiled at every turn through various connivances

So it is hardly surprising that that some choose to play the airline at its own game, with a union in full support it seems.

In my opinion Ryanair are just reaping what they have sowed
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 18:44
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That is fine and if that will be the case then so be it. But if we bring everyone down to that level Ryanair will still be an undesirable place to work even with unionised conditions. I thought the recent strikes and negotiations were to raise the standard and not bring everyone down to the level where Ryanair operate. The unionisation of Ryanair was mostly due to its own failures and not the unions, the unions merely jumped at the opportunity when the company was weak. Most of Ryanairs employees want it to be something along the lines of other 'nicer to work for' airlines, by keeping everything in the gutter how do conditions improve?
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 20:56
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German FAZ (very conservative) is reporting about Ryanair's sick policy and impounded 737 at Bordeaux.

Kranke Ryanair-Piloten müssen Kündigung fürchten
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Sonikt
We are talking about Ryanair

The airline themselves, through their own repeated actions, set the moral bar in the gutter.

It is well known that employees have tried for years to improve conditions through 'legitimate' channels, only to be foiled at every turn through various connivances
Well known but apparently "unbeknownst to investors"... hmmm I think I smell a Ryanair defence to that lawsuit "how could anyone NOT know that our business was built on our aholery".
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 02:53
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Originally Posted by flyingmed
by keeping everything in the gutter how do conditions improve?
It could be said that some people in positions of power see integrity as a weakness to be ruthlessly exploited. This is distasteful to most but it is unfortunately also reality.

If you come to a gunfight with a sword, you are going to loose, regardless how 'gentlemanly' your actions. So to win a dirty fight, I'm afraid you may have to play dirty. This can be as simple as exposing your opponent's dirty tactics for the world to see, through whatever underhand means are necessary.

It is however completely understandable that aircrew may find these concepts difficult to comprehend - it is, after all, a career based on obeying various rules. It is perhaps this culture of compliance that attracts so many sociopathic types into the corridors of airline management.

​​​​​​But seems some aircrew are waking up to the darker side of reality. You don't have to like it, just accept that it is something deeply unpleasant you have to deal with. No different to an inflight mechanical failure really.

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Old 10th Nov 2018, 13:50
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Any news from the Eindhoven base? ECA are saying the EIN based pilots have been fired?
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 20:55
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Originally Posted by flyingmed
Any news from the Eindhoven base? ECA are saying the EIN based pilots have been fired?
As far as I know they still haven’t (but Ryanair is probably working on a permit), and if they have somehow gotten the permit then the pilots / VNV will surely be taking it to court.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 04:34
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Originally Posted by flyingmed
Any news from the Eindhoven base? ECA are saying the EIN based pilots have been fired?
You work for Ryanair. Why don’t you ask your Union representative ?
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 12:09
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Germany

I was wondering if anyone knows if all German bases are now manned by Ryanair pilots as opposed to contractors?
There is a rumor that no contractors are floated in to German bases anymore.
If true this is very interesting.
It looks like the local Tax man and the local law man is slowly waking up and forcing RYR to follow rules and regulation!

Keep in mind,: RYR has the potential for becoming the European South West, with excellent conditions for flightcrew.
But if continuing in the direction it is going now they will have 460 aircraft and no pilots!

I think MOL has made a big gamble on some crises leading to hoards of people knocking on his door after bankruptcy etc.
Unfortunately for him a lot of the good FOs ready for upgrade are using that same door to evacuate to greener pasture.

I am probably wrong as I have been so many times before with RYR, but ca 29 days after the summer-season 2019 we will see.
When every Cpt is maxed out at 100hrs the last 28 days.
Anyway
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 21:33
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 21:35
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...ed-locate.html
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 01:33
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I hope crews from other bases will support these crews. Next time it could happen to them.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 09:54
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And of course it is far more likely to happen to a small 4 aircraft base while pilots at the large 40 aircraft bases know that they are safe whatever action they call.
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 19:42
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Old habits!

With regards to any T&C in RYR they are slowly getting better as fare as I can see.

BUT ,it is a bit disconcerting that pilots that called in sick with Dr Certificate during x- mass and new year weeks are summary called to HQ for meetings!
This I have from reliable sources and in my opinion is a bit counter productive!
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 20:34
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Regarding 8th January Cabin Crew strike, I received this:

Due to the efforts of the Spanish Government minimum services regulator, and the support of our pilots and cabin crew in Spain, we expect to operate a full schedule of flights to/from (and within Spain) on Tues 8th Jan next.

All passengers scheduled to fly should check in online as normal and arrive at their departure airport at least 2 hours prior to their time of scheduled departure.
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Watch this space..
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 21:24
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Interesting indeed,,,,,,
Old habits was my headline.
I happen to know a few down on the Islands, lots of good people!
Time for Action!
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 15:01
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Originally Posted by flyingmed
Any news from the Eindhoven base? ECA are saying the EIN based pilots have been fired?
The Ryanair pilots are still officially employed by Ryanair. Ryanair is still paying their salaries.
There was a court session today in Eindhoven, and the pilots have claimed a large sum of money from Ryanair for damages.
Total sum of claims was a few million euro’s.
link: (in dutch)
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieu...en-van-ryanair
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Originally Posted by fox niner


The Ryanair pilots are still officially employed by Ryanair. Ryanair is still paying their salaries.
There was a court session today in Eindhoven, and the pilots have claimed a large sum of money from Ryanair for damages.
Total sum of claims was a few million euro’s.
link: (in dutch)
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieu...en-van-ryanair
Their gamble has failed completely, which is ulimately what was going to happen.

I can see this case taking years with appeal after appeal and all the time Ryanair will claim they have to be still employed by them.
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