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EC notice on BREXIT issued, licenses/certificates invalid

Old 3rd Dec 2018, 16:13
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 18:57
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The important part, the thing that is going to set things in motion, is to send the " RPPL-F-100E" to the IAA.

By all means the forms that you need to be sent to the UK CAA are also important. However the UK CAA will not do anything until they receive a formal request from the IAA to provide information about the licence, and medical data, of the applicant that is applying to change SOLI.

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About your question regarding the "licence copy must be certified", if your licence is "as issued by the CAA", in other words, if since it was issued by the CAA there were no handwritten entries made on the licence by a TRE, in case of an LPC, then the copy of the licence needs NOT to be certified. Search the UK CAA website for "How to get copies of your documents certified". At the end of the page it mentions what I wrote on this paragraph. If you however did any LPC's since your licence was issued, and this were endorsed on your licence by the TRE, then I'm afraid that you will have to certify the copy of your licence. There is an explanation on the CAA website on how to get this done.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 19:47
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I dont understand why the UK CAA always has the need to recieve a virified copy of a license for the smallest things. They are they only CAA I know who require someone else to sign that they have seen the original...wtf...
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 09:03
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By the way,the irish caa is amazingly fast in replying and straight to the point rather than those semi generic crap answers we get for the uk after 3 weeks....maybe its for the best then..
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 11:50
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For those like me, who got now an European license, what about the medical ?

we will not be longer valid with a UK medical after 29march, we need to have a EASA medical whatever the country, but does mean traveling abroad just for medical ... ????
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 12:35
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For those like me, who got now an European license, what about the medical ?

we will not be longer valid with a UK medical after 29march, we need to have a EASA medical whatever the country, but does mean traveling abroad just for medical ... ????
Probably.

The advice i have seen so far was to get a medical in EASAland (non-UK) before March 29th next year. Just to be on the safe side. Now, there might be AMEs in the UK that have been approved by other NAAs as well and can do it without travelling abroad, but i have no clue there are. I just know that my AME in germany is approved by the CAA, the FAA and of course the LBA (and i believe they try to get their AMC transferred to switzerland as germany is just bonkers).
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 12:53
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In EASA land all of your records - for your licence and for your medical certificate - have to be held by the same country.
Where the medical examinations and skill tests take place is up to the authorised examiners (medical and flying respectively).
I believe there can be difficulties with transferring away from Germany (and maybe Austria) to another State because their national law puts restrictions on transferring medical information out of the country.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 18:30
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Originally Posted by W Smith View Post
In EASA land all of your records - for your licence and for your medical certificate - have to be held by the same country.
Where the medical examinations and skill tests take place is up to the authorised examiners (medical and flying respectively).
I believe there can be difficulties with transferring away from Germany (and maybe Austria) to another State because their national law puts restrictions on transferring medical information out of the country.
That was the case until 2 years ago but now it seems a medical can be passed in any EASA country regardless of which country the licence is held. . As far as Germany is concerned, , I have tried it and passed it in Germany last year and the French DGAC accepts it no problem . . The medical certificate form has now "European union " on top instead of the country's name, "pertaining to a Part-FCL Licence" and " issued in accordance with Part-MED" at the bottom. However I am not sure every country accepts it from every other one , but France accepts Germans medicals .
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 05:43
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The important part, the thing that is going to set things in motion, is to send the " RPPL-F-100E" to the IAA.
seeme to me the real risk here comes from the UK CAA failing supply the info in time on the Doc 155 ☹️
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 09:41
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Obviously like many here I having been following this thread with great interest. Many of those posting on here know far more about the topic than I do.
However, I had the good fortune to talk directly to the Flight Ops director of a major UK airline a few weeks ago, who assured me that even in the event of a hard Brexit, on March 29th they can keep operating.
they base that belief on the assurances that the CAA will continue to recognise all UK licences and approvals issued under the umbrella of EASA as still being valid to operate G ref aircraft, and that ICAO third and fourt freedom rights will still exist between the UK and individual European nations which are still ICAO members regardless of EASA.
Im sure they have taken a huge amount of alegal advice before deciding this to be the case, so whilst I can see easy jet and Ryan air having a problem, what is the issue for UK based operators of UK registered aircraft operating out and back flights to Europe with no intermediate sectors?

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Old 5th Dec 2018, 10:19
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However, I had the good fortune to talk directly to the Flight Ops director of a major UK airline a few weeks ago, who assured me that even in the event of a hard Brexit, on March 29th they can keep operating.
Um....I wonder...sounds a familiar claim.... I know one such airline who employ a significant number of non resident EU national Flight/cabin crew. Out of interest did your contact mention the consequences of the end of FOM to his many of his staff’s ability to legitimately to cross the Border into the U.K. on the way to work on the A.M. of 30th March, or does he simply expect them to “wing it”?? As it stands today their status as roughly speaking “frontier workers” has, AFAIK (and open to correction), yet to be clarified so it’s possible the ICAO Freedoms for airframes might be the least of his or problems...




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Old 5th Dec 2018, 15:32
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Held hostage? Well we ended up with these BREXIT rules thanks to.... a Brit.. Lord Kerr, who is the British author of Article 50

Just like the FTL rules at EASA that we got thanks to the UK CAA their campaign

Just in case you missed it PuraVida: the British politicians knew about the rules of Article 50 from day one as their civil servants wrote it! From DAY 1 it was clear that there were 6 scenario's... AND that there was no negotiations as such except on details. So go back to your politicians and ask them to stop lying to you and the press to do a better job in explaining a very clear SOP for leaving the EU. Pick one of the six scenarios and bugger off!
If I may, a small correction; British civil servants did not write it, and Lord Kerr did not draft article 50, it was Guiliano Amato, the Ex President of Italy, and a lawyer (Kerr is a diplomat) who drafted the article.

Kerr was part of the team involved in that drafting that part of the Lisbon Treaty, but not the final drafter.

You are correct however about the utter lack of knowledge of the procedures and meanings of Article 50.
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 17:12
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


Um....I wonder...sounds a familiar claim.... I know one such airline who employ a significant number of non resident EU national Flight/cabin crew. Out of interest did your contact mention the consequences of the end of FOM to his many of his staff’s ability to legitimately to cross the Border into the U.K. on the way to work on the A.M. of 30th March, or does he simply expect them to “wing it”?? As it stands today their status as roughly speaking “frontier workers” has, AFAIK (and open to correction), yet to be clarified so it’s possible the ICAO Freedoms for airframes might be the least of his or problems...




Errr.... No. When I worked for them last, which was five years ago, I can't remember there being any non UK cabin crew, and very few non UK flight crew. Don't think it's changed much.

Anyway, disregarding CRM for a moment, this is a pilot's forum. Your is post is the first I've seen on this thread addressing cabin crew issues. And if a small number of non-UK European nationals lose the right to work in UK airlines they can presumably do a job swap with the UK nationals who may no longer have the right to work in Europe. What is the point of having an EASA licence to fly a non UK reg aircraft if you no longer have the right to live and work in Europe, or are you going to renounce your British Citizenship?

I sincerely hope that anyone who works in the airline industry and voted to leave has now realised that it may have been like Turkeys voting for Christmas, and would vote remain if we get another referendum.
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 17:50
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Ok apologies, sounded like an airline close to home personally but obviously not the one I was thinking of.

if a small number of non-UK European nationals lose the right to work in UK airlines they can presumably do a job swap with the UK nationals who may no longer have the right to work in Europe.
Be genuinely interesting to see where the balance of numbers of respective nationals fall, because at one U.K. airline the number of Eu national non-resident crew is into several hundreds. Would make 30 th March interesting if the U.K. falls out with a “no deal” with no v quick agreement to any “frontier worker” or similar issues.

Hopefully it won’t come to that.



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Old 5th Dec 2018, 20:29
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Originally Posted by excrab View Post
I sincerely hope that anyone who works in the airline industry and voted to leave has now realised that it may have been like Turkeys voting for Christmas, and would vote remain if we get another referendum.
I’d like to see that happen as well, but having spoken to many of my colleagues they still even now believe that leav8ng is the best option... amazing...
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 06:01
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2 ways of looking at it. Is the chaos caued by Brexit or having been part of the European Project. Looking at the whole of Europe the European Union has caused far more chaos than Brexit ever will. I for one could do without EASA, another protectionist racket driven by politics not safety.
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 07:23
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Originally Posted by Major Cleve Saville View Post
the European Union has caused far more chaos than Brexit ever will. .
Well tell this to the staff of Easy Jet and Ryanair currently based in the continent..
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 07:32
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher View Post
Well tell this to the staff of Easy Jet and Ryanair currently based in the continent..
A different medical and paperwork for a licence conversion is an annoyance. But I could hardly describe that as chaotic. No more ‘chaotic’ than when UK pilots all hit a trigger event and had to convert their UK licence to EASA.
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 07:57
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Originally Posted by de facto View Post
Thanks,
By the way,the irish caa is amazingly fast in replying and straight to the point rather than those semi generic crap answers we get for the uk after 3 weeks....maybe its for the best then..
Maybe you are lucky i sent mail to them week ago with no response, and that was just to confirm my mail got in. Telephone not working...
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 11:11
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Well tell this to the staff of Easy Jet and Ryanair currently based in the continent..
Yes tell all the unemployed young people of Europe how lucky they are, could be worse EasyJet and Ryanair pilots have to complete some forms to keep their jobs. I have gone UK JAA and EASA.. I must be a 'legend'.

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