'Plane crash' at Nepal's Kathmandu airport
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Thanks for this Arnicopanday. That's a very comprehensive account of what looks like a totally shambolic situation. I hope you can find a way of uploading the sketch you made.
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Thanks for the terrific account Arnicopanday.
I now wonder if what seemed like confusion on part of the Cap between 02 and 20, was in fact him flying from one end of the lot to the other, picking runways as he went. Incredible if so.
I now wonder if what seemed like confusion on part of the Cap between 02 and 20, was in fact him flying from one end of the lot to the other, picking runways as he went. Incredible if so.
some video has turned up.
from Aviation Safety Net -
"Video shows US-Bangla Airlines flight #BS211 during go around after attempting to land on runway 02 at Kathmandu Airport. The accident happened a few minutes later: "
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From 1at:
BS211 reported to be " .. on final RWY 02 .."
TOWER consequently responded ".. continue approach ..".
TOWER: "BS211 ... RWY 02 cleared to land"
BS211 confirmed ".. cleared to land.." assuming RWY 02
Lots of speculation, but this seems very clear and simple. The runway is long enough for a -8 to land, takeoff and land again. We hear the captain has survived so we wait to hear why they didn't KISS.
BS211 reported to be " .. on final RWY 02 .."
TOWER consequently responded ".. continue approach ..".
TOWER: "BS211 ... RWY 02 cleared to land"
BS211 confirmed ".. cleared to land.." assuming RWY 02
Lots of speculation, but this seems very clear and simple. The runway is long enough for a -8 to land, takeoff and land again. We hear the captain has survived so we wait to hear why they didn't KISS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBgcC3OlqfQ
some video has turned up.
from Aviation Safety Net -
"Video shows US-Bangla Airlines flight #BS211 during go around after attempting to land on runway 02 at Kathmandu Airport. The accident happened a few minutes later: "
some video has turned up.
from Aviation Safety Net -
"Video shows US-Bangla Airlines flight #BS211 during go around after attempting to land on runway 02 at Kathmandu Airport. The accident happened a few minutes later: "
Sorry, more than 20 years I've been there
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crazy location!
The caption in the video above says it was taken in Gagalphedi, approx 7 km NE of the Runway 20 threshold at the base of high mountains. Amazing that they got that low so far from the runway.
It looks like they flew north past the airport, right up to the northern end of the Kathmandu Valley and turned around at the last moment before impacting with terrain there, then missed 20 while heading back south (shortly after this video clip).
It looks like they flew north past the airport, right up to the northern end of the Kathmandu Valley and turned around at the last moment before impacting with terrain there, then missed 20 while heading back south (shortly after this video clip).
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US-Bangla plane crash: Pilot Abid, 3 other cabin crew confirmed dead
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That account from arnicopanday plus the new video puts the plane's path quiet clear now . The place of video is Gagalphedi , it is due N-NE of the airport and 7-8 kms far. search it on google or bing , my new account ! no link
I drew a sketch here based on the points from arnico : sitename: imgur address : /8WzvUeI I might be wrong.
I request him do this on maps , post it here
Another wild guess, The domesticTerminal parking bay ? , up North angled to 20, looks alot like a Runway . something like Runway 15(!), if it were to exist? \\ . Look at the maps , It is Narrow , elongated , a path extends straight to a hangar across the main runway . Did they made an approach towards this ? unknowingly?
- It went north , almost touching the hills : "Yeti airlines panicking on the recordings in Nepali about the hills visibility, providing radar vector to correct its path" was about this ..
- Turned back as in the video
- Overshoot runway 20's approach , flew South,circling , why ?
- My guess :since they didn't take 20 or delayed it because Buddha air253 (was it?) landed on 02, then clear it afterwards.
- ATC open both 20 and 02 . as by this time they were in middle , somewhere in the west, capable of approaching both.
- From arnico's account it came in hot trying to land on 20 , like someone new on a plane simulator would do! Turning!
when I saw the plane fly very low across the airport buildings, turning from a northwesterly heading to a southwesterly heading. From my viewpoint It flew BEHIND the airport control tower, somewhere around the domestic terminal. (A taxi driver on the domestic parking lot reported that its wing almost touched the roof of the Nepal Airlines Hangar).
I request him do this on maps , post it here
Another wild guess, The domesticTerminal parking bay ? , up North angled to 20, looks alot like a Runway . something like Runway 15(!), if it were to exist? \\ . Look at the maps , It is Narrow , elongated , a path extends straight to a hangar across the main runway . Did they made an approach towards this ? unknowingly?
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One item that I haven't seen mentioned here
https://scroll.in/latest/871866/nepa...ation-underway
If I was to speculate, I might suspect CRM/gradient issues.
https://scroll.in/latest/871866/nepa...ation-underway
Defending the pilots, the airlines [US-Bangla Airlines chief executive Imran Asif] said Captain Abid Sultan, who survived the crash, had more than 5,000 hours of flying experience and was specially trained to land at the airport. Sultan is a former Bangladesh Air Force pilot and was also a flying instructor with the airline, AP reported.
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From 1at:
BS211 reported to be " .. on final RWY 02 .."
TOWER consequently responded ".. continue approach ..".
TOWER: "BS211 ... RWY 02 cleared to land"
BS211 confirmed ".. cleared to land.." assuming RWY 02
Lots of speculation, but this seems very clear and simple. The runway is long enough for a -8 to land, takeoff and land again. We hear the captain has survived so we wait to hear why they didn't KISS.
BS211 reported to be " .. on final RWY 02 .."
TOWER consequently responded ".. continue approach ..".
TOWER: "BS211 ... RWY 02 cleared to land"
BS211 confirmed ".. cleared to land.." assuming RWY 02
Lots of speculation, but this seems very clear and simple. The runway is long enough for a -8 to land, takeoff and land again. We hear the captain has survived so we wait to hear why they didn't KISS.
I suspect this one will go into the text books. After a few minutes not only were they lost spatially but it sounds as if they'd lost touch with what they wanted to do.... horrible
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Re CRM gradient is there cultural component as well, I.e. Go Around w female FO may cause losing face?
I still wonder if Cap attempted to take over both Comms and PF duty.
I still wonder if Cap attempted to take over both Comms and PF duty.
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At this point, does anyone other than the bereft, insurers and lawyers sincerely care about this crash? Abbott and Costello crash a transport category aircraft in VMC with Curly and Moe in the tower. (Curly and Moe were two members of the comedy trio known as the "Three Stooges". Abbott & Costello were a comedy duo).
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I flew there yesterday. Spoke to our AME who witnessed the final moments of the flight. The flight path he described is slightly to the north of the one sketched by arnicopanday. He was at stand 1 looking towards the tower when the aircraft appeared in a left bank. It narrowly avoided the control tower and a lamp post at the edge of the apron. He claims he saw the aircraft pitch up to avoid the tail of the Thai 777 before hitting the ground in a left bank just beyond taxiway C. He was not sure if it touched down on the runway or the ground just after the runway. As per him it was the lady FO’s first flight to KTM.
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The above is a second hand information so I can’t vouch for the accuracy but it seems to correlate with what the other eyewitnesses saw.
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The above is a second hand information so I can’t vouch for the accuracy but it seems to correlate with what the other eyewitnesses saw.
Last edited by iflytb20; 15th Mar 2018 at 05:08. Reason: Damn Autocorrect!!