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'Plane crash' at Nepal's Kathmandu airport

Old 14th Mar 2018, 09:31
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Ladies & Gents just so you are aware this morning's "Times" report on the crash seems to be a complete cut 'n paste job off this forum
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 09:42
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Originally Posted by arnicopanday View Post
Long time lurker on this forum. Finally signed up....
... Am trying to upload a sketch of what I saw but as a new poster here I don't seem to be able to post a link yet.
Thanks for this Arnicopanday. That's a very comprehensive account of what looks like a totally shambolic situation. I hope you can find a way of uploading the sketch you made.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 16:26
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry View Post
Ladies & Gents just so you are aware this morning's "Times" report on the crash seems to be a complete cut 'n paste job off this forum
Any chance you could post a link or quote a section of the article?
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 16:32
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Thanks for the terrific account Arnicopanday.
I now wonder if what seemed like confusion on part of the Cap between 02 and 20, was in fact him flying from one end of the lot to the other, picking runways as he went. Incredible if so.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 16:48
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some video has turned up.
from Aviation Safety Net -
"Video shows US-Bangla Airlines flight #BS211 during go around after attempting to land on runway 02 at Kathmandu Airport. The accident happened a few minutes later: "
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 17:16
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From 1at:

BS211 reported to be " .. on final RWY 02 .."
TOWER consequently responded ".. continue approach ..".
TOWER: "BS211 ... RWY 02 cleared to land"
BS211 confirmed ".. cleared to land.." assuming RWY 02


Lots of speculation, but this seems very clear and simple. The runway is long enough for a -8 to land, takeoff and land again. We hear the captain has survived so we wait to hear why they didn't KISS.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 17:20
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Originally Posted by cbradio View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBgcC3OlqfQ

some video has turned up.
from Aviation Safety Net -
"Video shows US-Bangla Airlines flight #BS211 during go around after attempting to land on runway 02 at Kathmandu Airport. The accident happened a few minutes later: "
Is it 02 or 20?

Sorry, more than 20 years I've been there
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 17:28
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Arnicopanday - welcome to the forum and thank you for your (dramatic) first post. If you find a way to post the sketch that would be brilliant.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 17:46
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crazy location!

The caption in the video above says it was taken in Gagalphedi, approx 7 km NE of the Runway 20 threshold at the base of high mountains. Amazing that they got that low so far from the runway.

It looks like they flew north past the airport, right up to the northern end of the Kathmandu Valley and turned around at the last moment before impacting with terrain there, then missed 20 while heading back south (shortly after this video clip).
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 18:02
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Originally Posted by RAT 5 View Post
We hear the captain has survived so we wait to hear why they didn't KISS.
Apparently the captain is now deceased:

US-Bangla plane crash: Pilot Abid, 3 other cabin crew confirmed dead
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 18:24
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That account from arnicopanday plus the new video puts the plane's path quiet clear now . The place of video is Gagalphedi , it is due N-NE of the airport and 7-8 kms far. search it on google or bing , my new account ! no link
  • It went north , almost touching the hills : "Yeti airlines panicking on the recordings in Nepali about the hills visibility, providing radar vector to correct its path" was about this ..
  • Turned back as in the video
  • Overshoot runway 20's approach , flew South,circling , why ?
  • My guess :
    since they didn't take 20 or delayed it because Buddha air253 (was it?) landed on 02, then clear it afterwards.
  • ATC open both 20 and 02 . as by this time they were in middle , somewhere in the west, capable of approaching both.
  • From arnico's account it came in hot trying to land on 20 , like someone new on a plane simulator would do! Turning!
  • when I saw the plane fly very low across the airport buildings, turning from a northwesterly heading to a southwesterly heading. From my viewpoint It flew BEHIND the airport control tower, somewhere around the domestic terminal. (A taxi driver on the domestic parking lot reported that its wing almost touched the roof of the Nepal Airlines Hangar).
    I drew a sketch here based on the points from arnico : sitename: imgur address : /8WzvUeI I might be wrong.
    I request him do this on maps , post it here

    Another wild guess, The domesticTerminal parking bay ? , up North angled to 20, looks alot like a Runway . something like Runway 15(!), if it were to exist? \\ . Look at the maps , It is Narrow , elongated , a path extends straight to a hangar across the main runway . Did they made an approach towards this ? unknowingly?
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    Old 14th Mar 2018, 18:36
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    One item that I haven't seen mentioned here

    https://scroll.in/latest/871866/nepa...ation-underway
    Defending the pilots, the airlines [US-Bangla Airlines chief executive Imran Asif] said Captain Abid Sultan, who survived the crash, had more than 5,000 hours of flying experience and was specially trained to land at the airport. Sultan is a former Bangladesh Air Force pilot and was also a flying instructor with the airline, AP reported.
    If I was to speculate, I might suspect CRM/gradient issues.
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    Old 14th Mar 2018, 18:47
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    Originally Posted by cbradio View Post
    "Video shows US-Bangla Airlines flight #BS211 during go around after attempting to land on runway 02 at Kathmandu Airport. The accident happened a few minutes later: "
    They tried to switch from a initial go around runway 02 into a circling approch runway 20?
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    Old 14th Mar 2018, 19:18
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    Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
    Any chance you could post a link or quote a section of the article?
    Paywalled.. and I'm on the road but they regularly pick up stories from this site...
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    Old 14th Mar 2018, 19:23
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    Originally Posted by RAT 5 View Post
    From 1at:

    BS211 reported to be " .. on final RWY 02 .."
    TOWER consequently responded ".. continue approach ..".
    TOWER: "BS211 ... RWY 02 cleared to land"
    BS211 confirmed ".. cleared to land.." assuming RWY 02


    Lots of speculation, but this seems very clear and simple. The runway is long enough for a -8 to land, takeoff and land again. We hear the captain has survived so we wait to hear why they didn't KISS.
    Order, counter order, disorder

    I suspect this one will go into the text books. After a few minutes not only were they lost spatially but it sounds as if they'd lost touch with what they wanted to do.... horrible
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    Old 14th Mar 2018, 19:44
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    Re CRM gradient is there cultural component as well, I.e. Go Around w female FO may cause losing face?
    I still wonder if Cap attempted to take over both Comms and PF duty.
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    Old 14th Mar 2018, 19:48
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    At this point, does anyone other than the bereft, insurers and lawyers sincerely care about this crash? Abbott and Costello crash a transport category aircraft in VMC with Curly and Moe in the tower. (Curly and Moe were two members of the comedy trio known as the "Three Stooges". Abbott & Costello were a comedy duo).
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    Old 15th Mar 2018, 00:35
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    the sketch

    There's the sketch of what I think I saw (~last 10 minutes of flight)

    It is on imgur: /a/Parhr
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    Old 15th Mar 2018, 05:40
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    https://www.imgur.com/a/Parhr
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    Old 15th Mar 2018, 06:07
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    I flew there yesterday. Spoke to our AME who witnessed the final moments of the flight. The flight path he described is slightly to the north of the one sketched by arnicopanday. He was at stand 1 looking towards the tower when the aircraft appeared in a left bank. It narrowly avoided the control tower and a lamp post at the edge of the apron. He claims he saw the aircraft pitch up to avoid the tail of the Thai 777 before hitting the ground in a left bank just beyond taxiway C. He was not sure if it touched down on the runway or the ground just after the runway. As per him it was the lady FO’s first flight to KTM.

    ^^
    The above is a second hand information so I can’t vouch for the accuracy but it seems to correlate with what the other eyewitnesses saw.

    Last edited by iflytb20; 15th Mar 2018 at 06:08. Reason: Damn Autocorrect!!
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