Flaperon washes up on Reunion Island
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The description of the "other aircraft debris found" is "pieces of windows, seat cushions and aluminum". Sounds a lot like the sewing machine piece and tea kettle, and the seat cushion the beachcomber said he burned. In other words, he's just repeating stuff from the news.
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OK, someone please explain this article which just appeared. How would the discovery of the flaperon validate a beacon from one of the black boxes? I am sure that either Boeing and/or Malaysia Air would have know the make and model of both black boxes prior to this weeks discovery. And if by some crazy point this article is accurate, does that mean the search goes back to where these signals were first heard????
Wreckage from Malaysian jet validates signals from Redmond-built black box - Puget Sound Business Journal
Wreckage from Malaysian jet validates signals from Redmond-built black box - Puget Sound Business Journal
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You're assuming the fuselage's pressure hull was not breached on impact? If so, it would be unlikely to sink. But, if it did, the figures of diff. pressure you are using are positive values, i.e., the cabin is designed to withstand a higher pressure than the exterior (opposite of a submarine). So a/c have inward relief valves that open at about -0.5 psi to stop the hull being squashed by negative differential AIR pressure if the a/c descends too rapidly. If, for whatever reason, the cabin was intact but sinking rapidly, the inward relief valves would probably be inadequate. So the end result might be as you said. But such a scenario seems incredible.
As has been said, Réunion is remote and about 30 n.m. in diameter, so the chances of any one piece of floating debris making a landfall there after travelling thousands are similarly remote. If a flaperon from MH370 has indeed achieved that, it’s likely that it was not alone. On this evening’s news there was an item showing an airborne search of the Mauritian coastline. Fair enough, but I’d put my money firstly on the eastern coast of Madagascar; secondly the African coast; and then maybe the Seychelles group.
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My limited experience of night flying in the pax cabin in recent years suggests that (sadly) nobody ever looks out of the windows, and the blinds are generally closed. By the time dinner was over and the cabin lights were dimmed, any lone eccentric looking outside would have been unlikely to realise that the gibbous moon was on the wrong side of the a/c. Nowadays, curiosity and observation of the skies are a rarity, not to mention understanding. Portable electronics are more enticing...
You're assuming the fuselage's pressure hull was not breached on impact? If so, it would be unlikely to sink. But, if it did, the figures of diff. pressure you are using are positive values, i.e., the cabin is designed to withstand a higher pressure than the exterior (opposite of a submarine). So a/c have inward relief valves that open at about -0.5 psi to stop the hull being squashed by negative differential AIR pressure if the a/c descends too rapidly. If, for whatever reason, the cabin was intact but sinking rapidly, the inward relief valves would probably be inadequate. So the end result might be as you said. But such a scenario seems incredible.
As has been said, Réunion is remote and about 30 n.m. in diameter, so the chances of any one piece of floating debris making a landfall there after travelling thousands are similarly remote. If a flaperon from MH370 has indeed achieved that, it’s likely that it was not alone. On this evening’s news there was an item showing an airborne search of the Mauritian coastline. Fair enough, but I’d put my money firstly on the eastern coast of Madagascar; secondly the African coast; and then maybe the Seychelles group.
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Slats11,
My limited experience of night flying in the pax cabin in recent years suggests that (sadly) nobody ever looks out of the windows, and the blinds are generally closed. By the time dinner was over and the cabin lights were dimmed, any lone eccentric looking outside would have been unlikely to realise that the gibbous moon was on the wrong side of the a/c. Nowadays, curiosity and observation of the skies are a rarity, not to mention understanding. Portable electronics are more enticing...
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There still seems to be discussion over what the french did or did not say,yesterday I posted a transcript of the announcement , have now converted the recording, hear for yourselves, the French DID NOT CONFIRM part from MH370, all though most of us reckon it is 99.9% certain to be so.
http://v8.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=ruodxt&s=8 sorry about quality due to file size had to turn it into flash to get it to upload
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Malaysian government announcements
Any announcements made by the Malaysian government should probably be considered in the context of the current political atmosphere, including the 1MDB contro
This is the best contemporaneous report I have fund about the co-pilots phone. Statement to CNN by an unnamed US official, although the information came from Malaysian investigators.
Appears phone was on and made transient automatic contact with the network - there was no actual message or voice call. The phone just came into range of that cell tower at that time.
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: Co-pilot's cell on, U.S. official says - CNN.com
Appears phone was on and made transient automatic contact with the network - there was no actual message or voice call. The phone just came into range of that cell tower at that time.
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: Co-pilot's cell on, U.S. official says - CNN.com
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I can understand families of those on board might be clinging on to the hope of the piece of the aircraft not having been confirmed by the French but it's surely only a matter of time, isn't it? It was reported yesterday that they were unable to confirm officially due to legal reasons...whatever that means.
It does seem incredibly stupid, to the point of questioning his integrity, that the Malaysian PM might make an announcement but if you look at what he said he didn't even reference the French. He said a team of international experts. It really does look like he has other agendas for whatever reasons. Quite possibly his international experts are merely interviewees or 'experts' on international news.
I found it very odd that he would specifically reference, with a date stamp and all, the confirmation he made about the flight ending in the southern Indian Ocean. As if he were publicly demonstrating an attitude of "I told you so"...
He made several speech errors as well during the speech. I would love to see what a decent psychologist thought of his body language and speech patterns.
Maybe I'm going too far but from the beginning they have made weird statements and I ask myself if that consistent behaviour is through being inadequate to deal with a crisis or if it has been a deliberate game of shadows and fog all along.
It does seem incredibly stupid, to the point of questioning his integrity, that the Malaysian PM might make an announcement but if you look at what he said he didn't even reference the French. He said a team of international experts. It really does look like he has other agendas for whatever reasons. Quite possibly his international experts are merely interviewees or 'experts' on international news.
I found it very odd that he would specifically reference, with a date stamp and all, the confirmation he made about the flight ending in the southern Indian Ocean. As if he were publicly demonstrating an attitude of "I told you so"...
He made several speech errors as well during the speech. I would love to see what a decent psychologist thought of his body language and speech patterns.
Maybe I'm going too far but from the beginning they have made weird statements and I ask myself if that consistent behaviour is through being inadequate to deal with a crisis or if it has been a deliberate game of shadows and fog all along.
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My recollection is CNN on air reported that the phone was not logged into the cellular network when the plane took off. They speculated that something must have caused him or someone to switch it on. They also said they were attempting to clarify an ambiguity in that their source confirmed that no phone call was made but would not or could not confirm or deny if a text was sent or attempted to be sent. No further information seems to have come to light.
My recollection is CNN on air reported that the phone was not logged into the cellular network when the plane took off. They speculated that something must have caused him or someone to switch it on. They also said they were attempting to clarify an ambiguity in that their source confirmed that no phone call was made but would not or could not confirm or deny if a text was sent or attempted to be sent. No further information seems to have come to light.
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Cheers Chris,
Initially, I was posting thinking that the integrity of the pressure hull had been compromised (but I did have the Ethiopian hijacking in mind at the time of posting). It would seem that with or without an intact fuselage, debris would probable be omitted and make its way to the surface (I don't think 60ft is deep enough to compress seat cushions enough to overcome their natural buoyancy).
A question for those in the know: What does the RAT power? Would deployment of the RAT have initiated the partial, final handshake? It seems to be accepted that the final partial handshake was initiated by the a/c in boot up mode.
Initially, I was posting thinking that the integrity of the pressure hull had been compromised (but I did have the Ethiopian hijacking in mind at the time of posting). It would seem that with or without an intact fuselage, debris would probable be omitted and make its way to the surface (I don't think 60ft is deep enough to compress seat cushions enough to overcome their natural buoyancy).
A question for those in the know: What does the RAT power? Would deployment of the RAT have initiated the partial, final handshake? It seems to be accepted that the final partial handshake was initiated by the a/c in boot up mode.
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Oh, and regarding the window, aluminium, seat cushion 'finds'......
I reckon they have found sod all. Up until now, every find, from kettle to ladder to sewing machine, has resulted in a photo in the media in record time. We have had nothing today.....
I reckon they have found sod all. Up until now, every find, from kettle to ladder to sewing machine, has resulted in a photo in the media in record time. We have had nothing today.....
I think that sequence is the best fit.
The Dixie cups won't keep you conscious at higher flight levels. Hence the advice to quickly put yours on before helping others. The Dixie cups will reduce the risk of permanent brain damage and will speed up restoration of consciousness at lower levels. But you need to put them on quickly and the system is predicated on an emergency descent. They are a safety measure for technical problems, not terrorism.
Higher flow rates for pilots will prevent / delay loss of consciousness.
The Dixie cups won't keep you conscious at higher flight levels. Hence the advice to quickly put yours on before helping others. The Dixie cups will reduce the risk of permanent brain damage and will speed up restoration of consciousness at lower levels. But you need to put them on quickly and the system is predicated on an emergency descent. They are a safety measure for technical problems, not terrorism.
Higher flow rates for pilots will prevent / delay loss of consciousness.
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I wonder if the 'legal reasons' why the French 'procureur adjoint' only went as far as to say that there were 'strong presumptions' the flaperon belonged to the Malaysia Airlines plane were to slow down any legal grounds for Malaysia to take the piece for themselves to investigate....if it is 100% certain then could Malaysia have grounds to take it?
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I wonder if the 'legal reasons' why the French 'procureur adjoint' only went as far as to say that there were 'strong presumptions' the flaperon belonged to the Malaysia Airlines plane were to slow down any legal grounds for Malaysia to take the piece for themselves to investigate....if it is 100% certain then could Malaysia have grounds to take it?
Deployed or not?
I'm waiting to see if the DGA lab can determine anything about the deployment state of this flap. Deployed might mean that the flight crew was in control of the aircraft at the point of ditching. On the other hand, if it was deployed earlier, it could mean that the plane was traveling slower and in a higher drag and fuel consumption configuration and that the range and calculated ditching point are incorrect.
I'm waiting to see if the DGA lab can determine anything about the deployment state of this flap. Deployed might mean that the flight crew was in control of the aircraft at the point of ditching. On the other hand, if it was deployed earlier, it could mean that the plane was traveling slower and in a higher drag and fuel consumption configuration and that the range and calculated ditching point are incorrect.
Therefore if proved that the flaperon was down at the time of impact, it could equally be assumed that the aileron's on that wing were deflected full down, irrespective of flap position.
Yep that Chinese ship heard the underwater beacon of the recorder. Just like the Chinese satellite that earlier found that debris in the South China Sea.
From the outset, this incident has been politicised and subject to disinformation.
I sometimes wonder if recent events in the SCS are somehow connected with MH370.
From the outset, this incident has been politicised and subject to disinformation.
I sometimes wonder if recent events in the SCS are somehow connected with MH370.
Several Asian countries are pissed at Malaysia because of the way it handled this.
A couple of old articles:
How MH370 episode has affected balance of politics in SE Asia - Oneindia
MH370 and its political repercussions, SE Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times
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OK, someone please explain this article which just appeared. How would the discovery of the flaperon validate a beacon from one of the black boxes? I am sure that either Boeing and/or Malaysia Air would have know the make and model of both black boxes prior to this weeks discovery. And if by some crazy point this article is accurate, does that mean the search goes back to where these signals were first heard????
The maps that I found show the area around the northern of the two pings was searched and larger areas to the west were searched, but I have not seen any maps showing that the area between the pings, along the 7th satellite ping ring, has been searched. Does anyone here know if it has?
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Potential finding in the Maldives
https://twitter.com/mohamedrajih13/s...86821492576260
However a follow up tweet from that user mentions it was found 45 days ago, and was thrown away!
https://twitter.com/mohamedrajih13/s...86821492576260
However a follow up tweet from that user mentions it was found 45 days ago, and was thrown away!