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Drones threatening commercial a/c?

Old 21st Dec 2018, 16:25
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Breaking News on BBC TV are saying flights again suspended due to further Drone activity. No details but citing Reuter’s as their source.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 16:33
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Actual BBC words “due to suspected drone sighting near runway “
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 16:33
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I get the feeling this was expected. I hope measures are in place now to find and deal with the culprit.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 16:39
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Beeb reporting the Police have identified "persons of interest": https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-46649704

Hopefully it'll lead to someone's collar being felt...
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 16:45
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Eurocontrol stating " Another drone sighted resulting in a 0-rate initially until 21:00 UTC.
High delays."
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 16:53
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It appears that the airfield closed again at about 17Z. RAM802, a B-763 from Casa was the first to go missed. They held for a while and then diverted to LHR.

WestJet 410 from Glasgow, another B-763, seems to have plenty of fuel and they are still holding but most of the other inbounds seem to be diverting.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 17:05
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Confirms my suspicion that the windy weather today helped Gatwick get lucky for a few hours. Now the wind's died down, the drone is back....
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 17:17
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Originally Posted by Alderney View Post
Confirms my suspicion that the windy weather today helped Gatwick get lucky for a few hours. Now the wind's died down, the drone is back....
2018/12/21 17:50 EGKK 211750Z 23006KT 9999 BKN032 10/06 Q1006

Looks that way.

These buggers need locking up for life. From what I can see there was traffic on final - that makes it reckless in the extreme.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 17:25
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Looks like Gatwick has opened again. Aurigny just took off, headed for Guernsey.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 18:13
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Don't know what I did there but it doesn't seem to want to delete.

I'm with you windsock but that is old style policing - we must have the high tech solution now.

Again, if it is a man in a white van, he would be targetting another airfield now.

I reckon the perpetrator is within a very few miles of whichever end of Gatwick these sightings are occurring.

Funny that in these days of instant messaging etc. no one has posted a photo.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 18:18
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Would a drone strike be any worse than a birdstrike?

LGW and other airports seem to host sizeable bird populations with few serious mishaps and no blanket closures...
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 18:23
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Having had a few birdstrikes in my time, I would say yes.

Think of the difference of cutting a piece of chicken relative to a piece of very burnt toast.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 18:26
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Originally Posted by *Zwitter* View Post
Would a drone strike be any worse than a birdstrike?

LGW and other airports seem to host sizeable bird populations with few serious mishaps and no blanket closures...
Considerably worse, IMHO.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 18:52
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Basics

Originally Posted by 737er View Post
Put drones in the hands of the general public, What could go wrong? How could anyone see this coming?
I tell you what I think.
We are a very advanced society, and when an "entity" gets extremely advanced it starts, somehow, missing the basics.
This is another example of missing one of the basics.
It is years that pilots have been expressing serious concerns around the danger of drones being in the wrong hands.
Nothing has been done until now.
We are all extremely lucky that "drones" have not been utilised by extreme organisations yet e.g. Daesh as the consequences of a clever and highly sophisticated drone attack are unimaginable.The disruptions at LGW are a minor event if compared to something much more serious like a drone terror attack. No need to provide examples of how deadly a terror related drone attack could be. The culprit is probably indirectly saving all of us from something much more sinister as from now on drones are on the various agencies' agendas as a priority, slightly late yes.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 18:52
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Originally Posted by finncapt;,
I'm with you windsock but that is old style policing - we must have the high tech solution
False dichotomy. Surely the police should (and I imagine will) be persuing all possible lines of enquiry, whether "old fashioned" or modern and high tech.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 19:08
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Unless I am mistkaen a/c resuming in the last hour and half or so....as I saw them.. Must be to do with the success of

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...equipment.html

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Old 21st Dec 2018, 19:14
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Terrorism?
I can see a dilemma for the authorities. If it is declared a terrorist incident the insurers will refuse to pay, and this incident above all has affected ordinary people - terribly, desperately. It's widely reported that this incident could lead to a 5 year sentence. I disagree. It most likely triggers Section 57 of the Terrorism Act 2000, with the definition of terrorism contained in Section 1. The perpetrators thus being eligible for 15 years. But it all hinges on whether the person(s) were doing it for some kind of cause - an eco group activity would certainly meet this criteria. I think Gov should continue attempts to negotiate with the insurance industry to pay, as I hear they were attempting today - but if the insurers refuse then Gov should call this incident out for what it most likely is - an act of terror.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 19:17
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Originally Posted by etudiant View Post
Drones are still pretty expensive and correspondingly rare, so I think it is highly likely that the item will be tracked down by old fashioned police work.
It does however suggest that drones may need a mandatory identifier, so they squawk their serial number every minute and with every transmission.
Depends on what you mean by rare, according to one source “ excluding drones under 250 grams, the CTA estimates 825,000 drones were sold in the U.S. in 2016.”

https://www.recode.net/2017/4/14/146...s-dji-forecast
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 19:53
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Terrorism?
I can see a dilemma for the authorities. If it is declared a terrorist incident the insurers will refuse to pay, and this incident above all has affected ordinary people - terribly, desperately. It's widely reported that this incident could lead to a 5 year sentence. I disagree. It most likely triggers Section 57 of the Terrorism Act 2000, with the definition of terrorism contained in Section 1. The perpetrators thus being eligible for 15 years. But it all hinges on whether the person(s) were doing it for some kind of cause - an eco group activity would certainly meet this criteria. I think Gov should continue attempts to negotiate with the insurance industry to pay, as I hear they were attempting today - but if the insurers refuse then Gov should call this incident out for what it most likely is - an act of terror.
It would be interesting to know who paid out for the disruption caused by the "Stansted 15". They have been convicted under Aviation and Maritime Security Act 1990 for "endangering an aerodrome" - potential sentence, life imprisonment.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 21:15
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Originally Posted by Wind Sock View Post
My tuppence worth:

Put out a call to all suppliers of drone batteries to report any recent sales of 'multiple' drone batteries.

Yes I know they are rechargeable but I reckon the person operating these drones isn't just waiting to charge up his batteries before embarking his next sortie. He has got a stash of fully charged batteries ready and waiting.
That - and other measures that have been discussed here and elswhere to control the sale of 'drone batteries' are, unfortunately, a waste of time. The battery technology commonly employed in aerial drones is also commonly used in other, land-based applications. If, as suggested, this incident has been perpetrated by a person or persons with the technical knowledge to assemble or modify a drone without any geofencing or other limitations, then that person will likely have the technical expertise to buy a battery pack designed for an alternative application and adapt it for this use.

The problem with all of these proposals for licensing is that they affect the vast majority of users who wouldn't dream of breaking the law - but have no effect on those individuals with the intent and knowledge to carry out an attack of the sort we have seen at LGW.
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