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Drones threatening commercial a/c?

Old 23rd Dec 2018, 10:10
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The Daily Mail article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6523821/Did-drone-reviews-Facebook-prompt-police-swoop-big-kid-former-soldier.html?ito=video_player_click has some interesting content, from his boss who gives him an alibi to the hi-vis "bicycle man" who was seen appearing to be packing up a drone.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 10:24
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Gatwick drones pair 'no longer suspects'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46665615
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 10:29
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Any lawyers on here?

When they get the right people and they are found guilty would airlines/airport/passengers be able to file a civil case for damages/loss of earnings and so on?
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 10:52
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looks like the 2 middle aged couple arrested by the Police will have a nice payoff for wrongful arrest. There was no more evidence than "he flies drones and lives nearby" with a cast iron alibi by a boss and 2 co-workers.

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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 12:05
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In some circumstances you can be "unarrested", but I'm not sure if that applies after the time they have been held
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 12:05
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Beeb reports a damaged drone recovered near LGW. That has got to be stuffed with clues.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 13:17
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Originally Posted by topgas View Post
In some circumstances you can be "unarrested", but I'm not sure if that applies after the time they have been held
The term is de-arrested and yes it would still apply.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 13:41
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Originally Posted by oilyturbineguy View Post
Well, I hope all those newspapers that published the couple's details and pictures get heavily fined


In the U.S. a security guard named Richard Jewell was identified by name in the news media as a prime suspect in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing. He subsequently was cleared and had some success with libel lawsuits against CNN and other outlets. The Jewell case has arguably made the American media a little more cautious about reporting on active criminal investigations in the two decades since.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 15:11
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
The Jewell case has arguably made the American media a little more cautious about reporting on active criminal investigations in the two decades since.
In the context of the Gatwick event this afternoon one particular newspaper in the U.K. is using the couple’s release as an excuse to splash their names and pictures all over their website yet again.



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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 15:58
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In many countries , there is the presumption of innocence and confidentiality of the investigation . Is that not the case in the UK ?
It it is the case then the person from either the police or the justice department that released the names and addresses to the journalists should face strong disciplinary action .
I fell very sorry for this couple, remember all too well when a similar cock-up ended in tragedy when a journalist released the name (and the village where he lived) of the air traffic controller working the aircraft during the Ueberlingen collision.
The father of one of the victims showed up in his house and stabbed him to death in front of his wife and kids. I always wondered how the person that leaked his name and the editor that published it still feel about it today ?
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 16:05
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BBC News;
A damaged drone found close to the airport on Saturday was being forensically examined, the force added.
Presumably after the last "sighting"?
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 16:08
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
As far as I am aware there is only a definition of "serious harm" in the Children's Act and the Defamation Acts

I'll bet the lawyers will claim it was only a "serious inconvenience" - no-one was hurt, injured, nothing was stolen or damaged etc etc
The reporting was that the Crawley couple were "detained on suspicion of disrupting services of civil aviation aerodrome to endanger or likely to endanger safety of operations or persons". Not sure what piece of legislation this is pulled from.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 16:22
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I believe the police can, and routinely do, arrest people to further their investigations. Being arrested doesn't automatically mean a charge. So you have a sort of exchange that may go "We would like to interview you at the police station regarding this event". "I don't want to go to the police station"... "Then you are under arrest.... the purpose of your arrest is to enable us to continue our investigation" etc. Sadly, although an arrest doesn't imply any guilt etc, society thrives on "no smoke without fire".
Also, the way the law stands in the UK, anonymity/confidentiality is not a right although this is usually applied in very sensitive cases such as those involving children etc. where identifying a suspect may indirectly lead to identifying the victim.
The alternative to naming persons who have been arrested could lead something like the situation that used to exist in countries like Argentina and Chile with the "disappeareds".
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 16:35
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DCSI Jason Wigly (sp) , just interviewed by the BBC happened to mention " that there is also a possibility that there were no drones " ?????
edited to say he appeared a bimbling idiot

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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 16:38
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" that there is also a possibility that there were no drones "
The groundwork is being prepared... from farce to farcical.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 16:40
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"Sussex Police say there is a 'possibility there was never a drone' despite finding damaged one near runway"


Almost as funny as the 'plastic bag drone' that bothered Heathrow a while ago!
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 16:41
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Originally Posted by Joe_K View Post
The reporting was that the Crawley couple were "detained on suspicion of disrupting services of civil aviation aerodrome to endanger or likely to endanger safety of operations or persons". Not sure what piece of legislation this is pulled from.
Aviation and Maritime Security Act 1990, S1(2)(b)
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 16:58
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So, the possibility there was never a drone? as in never a possibility in the claim of one appearing whenever it was supposedly last seen? or for the whole period LGW was on lock-down? that cannot be the case surely....that reporting must be a mistake or confusion of some kind?.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 17:02
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This is the UK in late 2018 - anything can happen................ one thing for sure - if they DO arrest anyone else DCSI Jason Wigly will be the FIRST person the defence call...................

lack of photo coverage from the police (who normally leak like a sieve) maybe indicates that it's going to be an interesting investigation
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 18:00
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I can think of one question Sussex police should be asked:
In the early stages of this saga, the police said that when the drone appeared and a police helicopter was put up, the drone would vanish. They seemed pretty confident at that time that a drone existed and was visiting Gatwick. And now not so confident? Hmm.
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