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Drones threatening commercial a/c?

Old 21st Dec 2018, 06:02
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Flights are starting again thankfully but there is a huge backlog to clear.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 06:13
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Just listening to radio 4 and the interview with Gatwick operating officer and one wonders what on earth took so long to implement the plan suggesting there was no prior plan..
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 06:31
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Hopeless and opiniated...seriously? Gatwick closes down and the politicians who are responsible are beyond criticism?
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 06:44
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Originally Posted by Wycombe View Post
Isn't jamming being used to stop drones going over prison walls? Not sure if that technology can be used in an airport environment, but if it can it should be.
Jamming only works on drones under remote command, not those with pre-programmed onboard routes. To affect them you'd need to hit them with EMP or jam local GPS reception*, neither of which seems safe in the vicinity of an airport.

* at which point they could revert to the ancient technique of dead-reckoning; fly south for three seconds, then west etc
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 06:46
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or jam local GPS reception*, neither of which seems safe in the vicinity of an airport.
Yes clearly risky jamming GPS signal locally near an airport when all the aircraft ARE GROUNDED.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 07:34
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There is zero terror involved here.
Terrorism does not have to involve an actual act. Just the threat is enough for terrorism to work. The threat here is that potentially an aircraft could hit a drone and crash, killing all on board. You do not need that to actually happen to determine the threat of the drones is a terrorism event. There's certainly no terror.....yet. Would you rather there was before classing this as an act of terrorism or is the potential not enough for you?
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 07:39
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Yes clearly risky jamming GPS signal locally near an airport when all the aircraft ARE GROUNDED.
Jamming GPS - anywhere - is likely to have massive unintended consequences well beyond aviation.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 07:44
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Do we have any information as of why the airport could be now opened?
Did they indentify the operator(s)? What made flight operation safe again?
Wonder if this was some sort of extorsion scheme with a ransom being paid...
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 07:55
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Could it be simply that, rather than any high-tech solution, the weather is too blustery for drones today? That could account for Gatwick's cautious restart.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 07:58
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Jamming GPS - anywhere - is likely to have massive unintended consequences well beyond aviation.
There is considerable concern in some circles that GPS has also become a critical infrastructure component for the use of its timing signals, including for synchronising the time slots used in the Airwave system which all the emergency services depend on for communications, see http://www.raeng.org.uk/publications...-space-systems

I find it particularly alarming that the National Grid may be dependent on it also. That this should not have happened is clear, but mitigating it is a whole other matter.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 08:07
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Originally Posted by Pontius View Post
Terrorism does not have to involve an actual act. Just the threat is enough for terrorism to work. The threat here is that potentially an aircraft could hit a drone and crash, killing all on board. You do not need that to actually happen to determine the threat of the drones is a terrorism event. There's certainly no terror.....yet. Would you rather there was before classing this as an act of terrorism or is the potential not enough for you?
I thought the definition of Terrorism involved causing disruption to infrastructure and financial issues.
This pretty much fits the bill IMHO.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 08:12
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Drone regulation

Originally Posted by lapp View Post
I'm afraid that drones are an unconfessed nightmare for airport security managers. No need to say more.
written Oct 2014
How true and i wonder how many airport managers and regulatory authorities around the world will be looking at this as a matter of urgency.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 08:18
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No amount of Legislation wiill stop a determined Criminal - by definition Criminals break the Law !

Comparisons with Bird Strikes are flawed - Birds don't have built in Power Sources - with their associated explosive risks.

IMHO the only real answer is the use of Technology to either prevent Drones from operating in and aorund Airfileds,
or to interrupt their flight ( whether this be Signal Jammmg, or a more physical form of intervention ) to bring them down,
where they can be forensically examined with a view to identifing the culprit(s).
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 08:38
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Something SteveH said got me thinking. Besides firing chickens into engines during certification they should also be firing in a couple of popular drones.

It's an awful problem that is difficult to solve, much like the [email protected] pointer problem.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 08:51
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If this is Terrorism then so is a crack pot lashing themselves to a M25 motorway bridge causing massive tailbacks both ways.
​​Somthing we may have to live with. Especially if the miscreants are not caught and severely dealt with. No videos uploaded from the perps or claims of why made public yet . A good day for Mrs May to bury #Brexit news. Coincidence?
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 08:54
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This individual has done what BALPA has been trying to do for some years without success, make the politicians and airports see sense.
Why are drones permitted within Class A airspace without specific clearance from ATC?
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 08:57
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Originally Posted by scudpilot View Post
I thought the definition of Terrorism involved causing disruption to infrastructure and financial issues.
This pretty much fits the bill IMHO.
There's no single, universally accepted definition of terrorism, but this is from a 2005 publication (Root Causes of Terrorism):
"terrorism is a set of methods of combat rather than an identifiable ideology or movement, and involves premeditated use of violence against (primarily) non-combatants in order to achieve a psychological effect of fear on others than the immediate targets.
Hence, terrorism seeks to cause fear through violence or the threat of violence. These drones at LGW seem to have done exactly that, even if the whole story is yet to emerge.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 09:01
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Flatmate of mine whilst beating up the countryside very low and fast got a model aircraft with the intake of the hunter. The energy in a large heavy lump of aluminium at more than double the speed of an airliner on approach of take off is considerably more than an over the counter drone. It did go through the skin and take out his hydraulics but that was all. Thirty years on model aircraft are still flying everywhere and the frogs still manage to route their low level flights over my brothers club without bothering about his models flying above them. Its politics wrt more big brother and taking our minds of the political crooks.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 09:02
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Saw this advert on the tube the other day.

Maybe a group like this were involved.

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Old 21st Dec 2018, 09:26
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Sky9, please explain how piling stricter rules on law-abiding UAS operators will combat attacks of this sort
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