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Drones threatening commercial a/c?

Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:01
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Originally Posted by londonman View Post
And what would you do if you were in charge...just curious. They're not amateurs.
Having been through LGW today it seems that the initial incursions were overnight - it cannot be beyond the wit of man, even Surrey Police, to follow any drone observed for some part of the way. If there are no flights a police helicopter should be able to follow them (again part of the way). Then ground patrols in the area.

All I hear is hand wringing and buck passing and suggestions of "studies"
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:02
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Looking at the latest footage taken from a mobile phone, to my eye, it looks like a quad, for me, it has the distinctive shape of a Phantom bit it must be an early machine the later beats are geo-fenced.

Its become surreal now, these things have limited control range, nobody with a spectrum analyser and a directional antenna.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:12
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After 20 hours the police have asked for the support of the military.

I wonder at what point this evening the Minister for Aviation will be handing in her resignation?
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:14
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Maybe one thing they can do when the place reopens is to lift the flight curfew until say the 25 th to maximize use - and to make the train and bus companies run 24/7......
BBC currently reporting that the Government has temporarily lifted the night flight restrictions at the other London airports.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:24
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Various possible defences against drones have been put forward; may I add my twopence worth?
In my infosec days, there was concern expressed about the ability of "HERF" (High Energy Radio Frequency) guns to damage electronic equipment in data centres. Now, I know such things have been built using magnetrons such as those from microwave ovens; but I'm unsure whether anything exists that could fry a drone's electronics at a range of (say) 150 metres or so. Attacking the drone's electronics directly would make it unnecessary for the drone to be under direct control to be vulnerable - also avoiding the problem of flying metal.
FWIW Wikipedia has an article on "directed energy weapons".
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:28
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Rain forecast overnight should curtail any activity for a period....might allow LGW to re-establish a little "normality"?
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:42
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Apparently, they are trying to track the op

This kit has been seen in Gatwick


The gear has capabilities...

https://www.coptrz.com/dji-aeroscope/
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:47
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So what if these drones had been carrying explosives, and/or had been flown directly into the path of aircraft full of passengers taxying, taking off or landing?

Gatwick Airport is currently implicitly sending the message to come and try this out, as they obviously have no means whatsoever to deal with this situation. And this probably applies to many, many other airports too.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:57
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Airport Notam'ed closed until 22Z:

A4116/18 NOTAMR A4111/18
Q) EGTT/QFALC/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5109N00011W005
A) EGKK B) 1812201835 C) 1812202200
E) AIRPORT UNAVAILABLE DUE TO DRONE ACTIVITY IN THE GATWICK ATZ
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 18:33
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LGW was closed earlier until 1600z. No sitings of drones for a few hours, low and behold at 1600z the drone made an appearance. This group/ individual is having a right laugh at us all, just useless. This could go on for days!
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 19:04
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Originally Posted by 750XL View Post
They're now saying the airport is closed until 0600z tomorrow....
Correct, from Eurocontrol:

EGKK( Gatwick)
Airfield unavailable extended until 0600 21st Dec.
Intended reopening is at 06oo UTC 21st Dec 2018.
Not sure but I would think if this happened at JFK or LGA ops would continue with a line added to the ATIS like 'Birds and unauthorized drone activity in vicinity of airport, advise controller on initial contact that you have information ZULU.'
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 19:08
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Ryanair flights for tomorrow (Friday 21st) all moved to operate out of Stansted instead of Gatwick.

Gatwick airport saying passengers should not travel to the airport for the foreseeable future, including tomorrow. (Sky news)

Going well then...
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 19:16
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Originally Posted by DroneDog View Post
Apparently, they are trying to track the op

This kit has been seen in Gatwick


The gear has capabilities...

https://www.coptrz.com/dji-aeroscope/
My research and contacts suggests there are a very varied set of opinions on this kit. I wish them luck.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 20:10
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No news. Closed till 0600z. Jetblast for the hopeless and opinionated.

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Old 21st Dec 2018, 04:24
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Gatwick Notam'ed Open at 0418Z 21 December 2018

I guess the mitigation is the sniper team...

A4124/18 NOTAMN
Q) EGTT/QFALT/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5109N00011W005
A) EGKK B) 1812210418 C) 1812211200
E) AD OPEN. RISK OF INCREASED DRONE ACTIVITY. MITIGATION IN PLACE.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 04:33
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From www.gatwickairport.com :

Flight Disruption

Friday 21st December 04:11

Gatwick continues to advise passengers to check the status of their flight with their airline before travelling to the airport.

We are currently working with airlines and air traffic controllers to introduce a limited number of flights over the coming hours.

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Old 21st Dec 2018, 04:37
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From Eurocontrol:

21DEC 05:16

EGKK (London Gatwick) will be available after 0800 utc but with low acceptance rate.
Aircraft operators are asked to keep their FPLs updated.
When flights are ready to go please request the departure TWR to send a REA message to ETFMS.

NMOC Brussels
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 04:57
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Looks like the first aircraft to land and test the mitigation is Thomas Cook 4801, a B-753 from EMA.

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Old 21st Dec 2018, 04:59
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05:55 Local ....Condor 757 out of East Midlands appears to have just landed. Update: 06:05Local..China Eastern A330 from Shanghai on approach...
FR showing about ten other flights heading for LGW.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 06:02
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Isn't jamming being used to stop drones going over prison walls? Not sure if that technology can be used in an airport environment, but if it can it should be.
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