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Drones threatening commercial a/c?

Old 17th May 2017, 02:22
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C-GGOK, a de Havilland DHC-8-402 aircraft operated by Jazz Aviation Lp, was conducting flight JZA8975 from Montreal/Pierre Elliott Trudeau Intl, QC (CYUL) to Ottawa/MacDonald-Cartier Intl, ON (CYOW). During the final approach to Runway 07 at 1500 feet AGL, the flight crew briefly observed an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) at their 11 o’clock position, approximately 4.2 nautical miles from the threshold of the runway. The pilot flying made a small roll input as an evasive maneuver and the UAV passed just under the left wing of the aircraft. There was no damage to the aircraft, and no reported injuries to the occupants.
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Old 17th May 2017, 10:06
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A British prison has become the world's first to use a new system designed to stop drones flying over perimeter walls to drop contraband into jails.

British prison is first to use 'disruptor' to create drone-proof 'shield' around jail
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Old 17th May 2017, 11:04
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So just change the failsafe setting of the drone to keep going to a pre defined waypoint instead of Return to Home and this technology is defeated.
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Old 20th May 2017, 13:39
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UAV activity at US Major airports.

Twice in one week I hear of unauthorised drone activity at major airports....firstly at JFK some clown operating a UAV close to CRI VOR with 31L departures and then last night a SAS nearly clobbered one on departure 28L ex SFO. They called it close to ATC operating at circa 500'. These people endangering aircraft I trust are subject to the full rigours of the law and deserve jail for such reckless activity.
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Old 20th May 2017, 14:24
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Originally Posted by Bearcat View Post
Twice in one week I hear of unauthorised drone activity at major airports....firstly at JFK some clown operating a UAV close to CRI VOR with 31L departures and then last night a SAS nearly clobbered one on departure 28L ex SFO. They called it close to ATC operating at circa 500'. These people endangering aircraft I trust are subject to the full rigours of the law and deserve jail for such reckless activity.
Going to get harder. An appeals court just ruled the hobby drones don't have to be registered. See attached.
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Old 20th May 2017, 15:11
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Just another craze, eventually they will go the way of hula hoops, CB radios, pogo sticks, etc etc.
It usually takes about a year, there are already far fewer on offer in shops.
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Old 20th May 2017, 15:25
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Ancient Greek...

Just another craze, eventually they will go the way of hula hoops, CB radios, pogo sticks, etc etc.
Totally disagree. Their growth is exponential and as capabilities and payloads increase, so does their desire, coupled with a lowering of price making them even more available.

They are a real problem, and are here to stay so the relevant authorities need to wake up and develop a strategy to mitigate them.
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Old 25th May 2017, 06:02
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What keeps security people up at night

The Trump administration is asking Congress to give the federal government sweeping powers to track, hack and destroy any type of drone over domestic soil with a new exception to laws governing surveillance, computer privacy and aircraft protection, according to a document obtained by The New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/u...licy.html?_r=0

A link to the 10-page draft and summary of the legislation is included in the article. See the section on "Covered Events."
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Old 25th May 2017, 09:00
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Drones have the potential to cause serious damage, up to how much for one engine rebuild?

Money talks, so why not 'dissuade' ILLEGAL drone operators by downing drones in no-fly areas? There are already several options and I'm certain the military have a few more that aren't in the public domain.

Another less dramatic method would be to assign an encrypted unique identifier to each drone/transmitter combo which has to be registered. (Like the MAC for IP devices). Admittedly, this could be circumvented or spoofed but it would reduce the problem.
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Old 25th May 2017, 13:25
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DJI (one of the biggest 'drone' makers) will shortly be providing an update to the software only allowing users that have registered with them the ability to fly.

Some people are already moaning about big brother controlling things but I don't have an issue with it.

I brought a 'drone' last weekend and think it's brilliant but then I do observe the rules.
One interesting aspect is that all flight data is logged and sync'd to them.
I can view previous flights and it overlays on google earth where and when i have flown. this could be a great defence if someone claims I had been flying where I shouldn't.

Also DJI has a known list / map of no fly zones and apparently will not let the 'drone' take off if it's in one of these zones.

Of course this does not stop any idiot who is determined to fly one near planes but it does reduce the chances of these events happening.

Other 'drone' makers may follow suit.
anyone building there own 'drone' would fall outside of these restrictions though

Of course I have no desire to go and fly near an aircraft. it's taken me long enough to get my own drone so i have no desire to loose it

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Old 25th May 2017, 16:36
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Money talks, so why not 'dissuade' ILLEGAL drone operators by downing drones in no-fly areas?
Hmmm. A drone flies illegally over an airport so you bring it hurtling to the ground.

Let's have a think about that ...
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 19:18
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Drone problem at Gatwick?

Just noticed an EasyJet diverted into Southend - looking on their flight status it says "We're very sorry that your flight has diverted to Southend because of a drone flying around Gatwick. We plan to fly you to Gatwick soon. We're very sorry for this inconvenience."
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 19:42
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BBC has an article coming together on it.
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 20:16
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The EZY866 INV-LGW has diverted to STN as well
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 21:20
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Assuming that it is a drone, and that it was flying where it should not be... a bloody stupid thing to be doing.

But there does some to be an element of 'blame the drone' going on at present. Some of the claims of Drones at 10,000 feet and above are stretching credibility..

I assume this will be far lower though.
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 21:41
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Why don't they mobilise the Typhoons and shoot it down?
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 22:04
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But there does some to be an element of 'blame the drone' going on at present.
I'm guessing you haven't whizzed passed one on the approach then?

As for higher altitude:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNHThfQFi3g & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7_PN4gum1A and those are no special drones. I doubt they are up as high as they say they are but it is still higher than one might think!
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 22:10
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Most (all) consumer drones would have been working hard at max power to get to that altitude (for those that can). And they will have no endurance left at all. Basically turning into an expensive falling stone.

The enterprise drones that have longer endurance cost into five figures. Lot of money to risk, not to mention CAA approvals.

That's why I'm sceptical.
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 22:13
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Originally Posted by EcamSurprise View Post
I'm guessing you haven't whizzed passed one on the approach then?

As for higher altitude:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNHThfQFi3g & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7_PN4gum1A and those are no special drones. I doubt they are up as high as they say they are but it is still higher than one might think!
I'm at the other end... PfCO holder. You might catch me flying near an airport - but I'll be within the regs and not putting aircraft at risk.
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 22:35
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Interesting to have your perspective on it then!

I'm all for those who operate them sensibly and within the rules but, having had one encounter with a drone at about 1000ft, I can say that the issue is real and is a threat of sorts. Personally I think modern aircraft engines should be tested at full thrust and throwing a drone down it but I suppose a frozen chicken would still win.
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