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Old 8th Jan 2016, 07:06
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Now then. This drone hype is really taking off. Check this out:

Take a ride in the Ehang 184 autonomous helicopter drone

A drone capable of transporting one person. Sets you back about $200.000 but hey, it is so easy to fly that any chopper pilot should fear for his job.
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Old 8th Jan 2016, 07:19
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This Ehang drone will take humanity directly to the age of the Jetsons.
Found this youtube movie:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_vGd1Oy7Cw0

It shows how easy the controls are. You actually have a button: "takeoff" and "land"!

All controlled by your Ipad via an app in the appstore!
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Old 8th Jan 2016, 07:36
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It shows how easy the controls are. You actually have a button: "takeoff" and "land"!
Hmmm. No sign of a button marked "autorotate", then ?
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Old 13th Jan 2016, 12:40
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Toddler lost an eye after drone went out of control:

Toddler loses an eye after consumer drone spins out of control

Covered by the BBC as well:

Toddler's eyeball sliced in half by drone propeller - BBC News
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Old 13th Jan 2016, 13:07
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ouch..................
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Old 13th Jan 2016, 14:05
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Nasty. Surprised it's not happened more often yet.
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Old 13th Jan 2016, 15:21
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Originally Posted by fox niner
Now then. This drone hype is really taking off.
A drone capable of transporting one person. Sets you back about $200.000 but hey, it is so easy to fly that any chopper pilot should fear for his job.
Uuummmhhh how does an unmanned aerial vehicle (a drone) transporting a person, who 'çontrols' it, continue to remain unmanned?
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Old 13th Jan 2016, 16:35
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Hmmm. No sign of a button marked "autorotate", then ?
Given that (as far as I can see) it has fixed-pitch props I think it's unlikely that it has one...

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Old 15th Jan 2016, 14:02
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A drone capable of transporting one person. Sets you back about $200.000 but hey, it is so easy to fly that any chopper pilot should fear for his job.
I think chopper pilots everywhere can breathe a sigh of relief... I read a few articles about it and the company that makes it has yet to put forth much in the way of operation and control information and even video of it transporting a person is limited to shots of a few seconds.
Basically there are a lot more question than answers right now. As cool as the concept is, I'm guessing there is a truckload of development still left as there are still obvious safety issues such as lack of guards for finger eating blades and the already mentioned auto rotation. Or the same questions that perplexes fixed wing auto flight such as AI capable of see and avoid... and the bit about it automatically conversing with ATC? Ha! I'd like to listen to that conversation to JFK controllers as they machine gun out ,"Attention, drone delta uniform mike one one, ya have traffic on yer left, hold-er position." ...and then ... in soft lady voice that all automated phone menu have ,"I'm sorry [pause] I could not quite understand that, let's try that again. Would you please repeat that last phrase, [pause]or if you like, please wait a moment to speak directly to the operator."
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Old 16th Jan 2016, 18:39
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Originally Posted by BDiONU
Uuummmhhh how does an unmanned aerial vehicle (a drone) transporting a person, who 'çontrols' it, continue to remain unmanned?
This is actually a very valid question. Much of the safety/certification issues for UAS are based on not having to worry about persons on board. There are several 'optionally piloted vehicles' or unmanned passenger carrying UAS such as Making Unmanned Search And Rescue A Reality: Unmanned K-MAX® Helicopter Conducts First Collaborative Casualty Evacuation · Lockheed Martin and Unmanned Little Bird (ULB) Helicopter UAV - Army Technology and these provide problems for the safety people.

Importantly, there is considerable concern over 'autonomous' UAS. ICAO is insisting they are Remotely Piloted Vehicles (RPV) as is the FAA. The major problem inhibiting the use of these vehicles is the total mistrust of them by the ANSP safety groups. Not to mention understandable pressure from IFALPA, not only on the jobs front but also concern about being 'in the pattern' with an automated UA that will not have the same reactions as a manned aircraft.

Some of these issues will not be simple to solve, which is frustrating for the engineers who often do not really understand the safety issues that are raised by UAS.
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Old 17th Jan 2016, 14:32
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Departed out of New York last night with a report, via PIREP, of a drone @ 5,800' on the coast to the east.
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Old 17th Jan 2016, 14:49
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Originally Posted by xray one
Departed out of New York last night with a report, via PIREP, of a drone @ 5,800' on the coast to the east.
Was anybody hurt?
Did the airliner crash?


........or was it much like seeing a bird fly by?
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Old 17th Jan 2016, 15:44
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Tourist just reporting what occurred for info.

You are obviously not a pilot or you would realise birds don't fly that high at night (with the possible exception of geese using mountain wave during migration). I did have a night time birdstrike out of Miami once at about 1,000', fairly sure it wasn't a drone...but still made a loud thud as it hit the windscreen! A drone, I fear, would be much louder.
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Old 17th Jan 2016, 16:23
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Don't they?

I must admit that I assumed that birds were not really night flyers until I started using NVG's and then I was very surprised how many were around.

How did they ID it as a drone at night incidentally?

Was it lit up?
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Old 17th Jan 2016, 20:24
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Well, birds don't generally have coloured strobes.
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Old 17th Jan 2016, 20:53
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Originally Posted by BDiONU
Uuummmhhh how does an unmanned aerial vehicle (a drone) transporting a person, who 'çontrols' it, continue to remain unmanned?
SLF speaking: as a piece of SLF?

SCNR

Actually, I think technically we're not that far from man-carrying drones. I think they can be kept stable quite easily (see how a high end DJI behaves in windy conditions) and can be made man-carrying (see Volocopter, still in development, but they're on a good way).

The question that remains is how to control them, and what license do you need to ride in one? (I'm saying ride, since it's obviously not a heli, but something highly computer controlled)
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 10:57
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on the BBC website today

Drone register gives 'accountability' says FAA

A new US drone register will help promote a "culture of accountability" the administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Michael Huerta has told BBC Click.

Existing drone owners have until 19 February 2016 to put their details online. Anyone who does not comply could face heavy fines.

The FAA has said that in "severe cases" of drone abuse a criminal prosecution could result in a $250,000 (£175,000) fine and a maximum of three years in prison.
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 11:25
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Originally Posted by RealUlli
SLF speaking: as a piece of SLF?

SCNR
The question that remains is how to control them, and what license do you need to ride in one? (I'm saying ride, since it's obviously not a heli, but something highly computer controlled)
But the SLF is not just SLF. They decide on the route, they decide on take off and landing point and so on. So the SLF is not just along for the ride but consciously decides when and where to land and instructs the "aircraft" to do so.
Until a different definition comes along these are not UAVs but manned aircraft with all the necessary licensing that comes with that.
IMHO of course
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Old 29th Jan 2016, 20:26
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A very relevant article here from the UK perspective

Drones involved in near misses at UK airports - BBC News
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Old 29th Jan 2016, 21:39
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Originally Posted by RealUlli
SLF speaking: as a piece of SLF?

SCNR

Actually, I think technically we're not that far from man-carrying drones. I think they can be kept stable quite easily (see how a high end DJI behaves in windy conditions) and can be made man-carrying (see Volocopter, still in development, but they're on a good way).

The question that remains is how to control them, and what license do you need to ride in one? (I'm saying ride, since it's obviously not a heli, but something highly computer controlled)
As I posted earlier optionally manned and CASEVAC UAS are already in use. So far they have not been licensed commercially. (Boeing Littlebird for example and Lockheed's K-MAX-CASEVAC UAS. ) I would think that the licensing and safety regulation people will be putting these into the 'too difficult pile' for quite a while.
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