Drones threatening commercial a/c?
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Yes that is the one I was referring to.
The (recent) conclusions of the UK airprox board on that one were :
The (recent) conclusions of the UK airprox board on that one were :
...it would have been more prudent for the helicopter to operate at a higher altitude due to the possibility of encountering other airspace users up to 400ft above ground level, including drones, paragliders, paramotors and hang-gliders soaring in the region.
There was even a possibility of military aircraft at or below 250ft.
There was even a possibility of military aircraft at or below 250ft.
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C-FFJM, a Perimeter Aviation LP Fairchild SA-227-AC aircraft was conducting flight PAG204 from Gods Narrows, MB (CYGO) to Winnipeg/James Armstrong Richardson Intl, (CYWG). While at approximately 2000 ft. asl, on a 4 nm final approach to Runway 31 at CTWG, the aircraft passed approximately 100 feet below an unknown airborne object. The object was octagonal in shape and bright red in colour. The flight crew did not make an evasive manoeuvre but reported the event to ATC. The aircraft landed without further incident.
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C-GGOF, a de Havilland DHC-8-402 aircraft operated by Jazz Aviation LP, was conducting flight
JZA584 from Calgary Intl, AB (CYYC) to Saskatoon/John G. Diefenbaker Intl, SK (CYXE). The
aircraft was just below 1000 ft agl, on a 3 nm final approach to Runway 27 with clearance to land.
The flight crew observed a red and white drone travelling eastward. The drone passed directly
overhead within 50 feet of their altitude. The flight crew reported the incident to ATC. ATC advised
that there was known UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) activity within the area, but conflicts were not
expected. The NOTAM references an unrelated UAV operation south of the airport.
JZA584 from Calgary Intl, AB (CYYC) to Saskatoon/John G. Diefenbaker Intl, SK (CYXE). The
aircraft was just below 1000 ft agl, on a 3 nm final approach to Runway 27 with clearance to land.
The flight crew observed a red and white drone travelling eastward. The drone passed directly
overhead within 50 feet of their altitude. The flight crew reported the incident to ATC. ATC advised
that there was known UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) activity within the area, but conflicts were not
expected. The NOTAM references an unrelated UAV operation south of the airport.
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Small drone 'shot with Patriot missile'
"That quadcopter that cost 200 bucks from Amazon.com did not stand a chance against a Patriot," he said.
Ya think?
Small drone 'shot with Patriot missile' - BBC News
Ya think?
Small drone 'shot with Patriot missile' - BBC News
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Time to ban as many as possible,
"One of the primary issues surrounding the proliferation of drones is their interference with other aircraft.
A new report from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) confirms that while more drones are being spotted by pilots of other aircraft, there have not yet been any collisions with planes or helicopters.
If this trend continues, it could present issues down the road as enterprise drone usage grows, especially once logistics providers try to launch drone delivery services.
To a degree, this is a natural phenomenon that’s the result of heightened enterprise drone usage. In a report last year, BI Intelligence analyzed the emerging enterprise drone space and identified several prominent use cases driving this adoption. The fact that more pilots are spotting drones in the skies is likely a result of this phenomenon, though it could also point to negligence on the part of enterprises and consumers who use the drones.
But while not currently an issue, a high-profile collision could cause the FAA to rethink its drone delivery policies. The agency is mandated by Congress to release regulations on commercial drone delivery services sometime next year. However, if the number of drones continues to grow and a significant crash were to occur, this could prompt the FAA to move to restrict drone usage ahead of the much-anticipated legalization of a commercial drone delivery service.
Drones turned the corner in 2015 to become a popular consumer device, while a framework for regulation that legitimizes drones in the US began to take shape. Technological and regulatory barriers still exist to further drone adoption.
Drone manufacturers and software providers are quickly developing technologies like geo-fencing and collision avoidance that will make flying drones safer. The accelerating pace of drone adoption is also pushing governments to create new regulations that balance safety and innovation.
Safer technology and better regulation will open up new applications for drones in the commercial sector, including drone delivery programs like Amazon’s Prime Air and Google’s Project Wing initiatives.
BI Intelligence, Business Insider's premium research service, has compiled a detailed drones report that forecasts sales revenues for consumer, enterprise, and military drones. It also projects the growth of drone shipments for consumers and enterprises.
The report details several of world’s major drone suppliers and examines trends in drone adoption among several leading industries. Finally, it examines the regulatory landscape in several markets and explains how technologies like obstacle avoidance and drone-to-drone communications will impact drone adoption.
Here are some of the key takeaways from the report:
We project revenues from drones sales to top $12 billion in 2021, up from just over $8 billion last year.
Shipments of consumer drones will more than quadruple over the next five years, fueled by increasing price competition and new technologies that make flying drones easier for beginners.
Growth in the enterprise sector will outpace the consumer sector in both shipments and revenues as regulations open up new use cases in the US and EU, the two biggest potential markets for enterprise drones.
Technologies like geo-fencing and collision avoidance will make flying drones safer and make regulators feel more comfortable with larger numbers of drones taking to the skies.
Right now FAA regulations have limited commercial drones to a select few industries and applications like aerial surveying in the agriculture, mining, and oil and gas sectors.
The military sector will continue to lead all other sectors in drone spending during our forecast period thanks to the high cost of military drones and the growing number of countries seeking to acquire them.
In full, the report:
Compares drone adoption across the consumer, enterprise, and government sectors.
Breaks down drone regulations across several key markets and explains how they’ve impacted adoption.
Discusses popular use cases for drones in the enterprise sector, as well as nascent use case that are on the rise.
Analyzes how different drone manufacturers are trying to differentiate their offerings with better hardware and software components.
Explains how drone manufacturers are quickly enabling autonomous flight in their products that will be a major boon for drone adoption."
FAA report shows pilots are seeing more drones - Business Insider
"One of the primary issues surrounding the proliferation of drones is their interference with other aircraft.
A new report from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) confirms that while more drones are being spotted by pilots of other aircraft, there have not yet been any collisions with planes or helicopters.
If this trend continues, it could present issues down the road as enterprise drone usage grows, especially once logistics providers try to launch drone delivery services.
To a degree, this is a natural phenomenon that’s the result of heightened enterprise drone usage. In a report last year, BI Intelligence analyzed the emerging enterprise drone space and identified several prominent use cases driving this adoption. The fact that more pilots are spotting drones in the skies is likely a result of this phenomenon, though it could also point to negligence on the part of enterprises and consumers who use the drones.
But while not currently an issue, a high-profile collision could cause the FAA to rethink its drone delivery policies. The agency is mandated by Congress to release regulations on commercial drone delivery services sometime next year. However, if the number of drones continues to grow and a significant crash were to occur, this could prompt the FAA to move to restrict drone usage ahead of the much-anticipated legalization of a commercial drone delivery service.
Drones turned the corner in 2015 to become a popular consumer device, while a framework for regulation that legitimizes drones in the US began to take shape. Technological and regulatory barriers still exist to further drone adoption.
Drone manufacturers and software providers are quickly developing technologies like geo-fencing and collision avoidance that will make flying drones safer. The accelerating pace of drone adoption is also pushing governments to create new regulations that balance safety and innovation.
Safer technology and better regulation will open up new applications for drones in the commercial sector, including drone delivery programs like Amazon’s Prime Air and Google’s Project Wing initiatives.
BI Intelligence, Business Insider's premium research service, has compiled a detailed drones report that forecasts sales revenues for consumer, enterprise, and military drones. It also projects the growth of drone shipments for consumers and enterprises.
The report details several of world’s major drone suppliers and examines trends in drone adoption among several leading industries. Finally, it examines the regulatory landscape in several markets and explains how technologies like obstacle avoidance and drone-to-drone communications will impact drone adoption.
Here are some of the key takeaways from the report:
We project revenues from drones sales to top $12 billion in 2021, up from just over $8 billion last year.
Shipments of consumer drones will more than quadruple over the next five years, fueled by increasing price competition and new technologies that make flying drones easier for beginners.
Growth in the enterprise sector will outpace the consumer sector in both shipments and revenues as regulations open up new use cases in the US and EU, the two biggest potential markets for enterprise drones.
Technologies like geo-fencing and collision avoidance will make flying drones safer and make regulators feel more comfortable with larger numbers of drones taking to the skies.
Right now FAA regulations have limited commercial drones to a select few industries and applications like aerial surveying in the agriculture, mining, and oil and gas sectors.
The military sector will continue to lead all other sectors in drone spending during our forecast period thanks to the high cost of military drones and the growing number of countries seeking to acquire them.
In full, the report:
Compares drone adoption across the consumer, enterprise, and government sectors.
Breaks down drone regulations across several key markets and explains how they’ve impacted adoption.
Discusses popular use cases for drones in the enterprise sector, as well as nascent use case that are on the rise.
Analyzes how different drone manufacturers are trying to differentiate their offerings with better hardware and software components.
Explains how drone manufacturers are quickly enabling autonomous flight in their products that will be a major boon for drone adoption."
FAA report shows pilots are seeing more drones - Business Insider
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Passenger jet approaching Heathrow in drone 'near-miss' - BBC News
.....It happened on 11 November 2016, ....a near-miss with a drone at 10,000ft as it approached Heathrow Airport.
It was one of four near misses between aircraft and drones in the latest UKAB monthly report, and brings the total in the past 12 months to 59.
.....It happened on 11 November 2016, ....a near-miss with a drone at 10,000ft as it approached Heathrow Airport.
It was one of four near misses between aircraft and drones in the latest UKAB monthly report, and brings the total in the past 12 months to 59.
How High Can A Drone Fly? Enthusiast Flies Drone To 11,000 Feet
Reportedly an off-the-shelf DJI Phantom with the firmware modified in this instance, so it's not out of the question.
Reportedly an off-the-shelf DJI Phantom with the firmware modified in this instance, so it's not out of the question.
Quoting 'JammedStab' - " Time to ban as many as possible"
The snag with that approach is that, unless the authorities act sensibly, perfectly law abiding radio control model fliers will be penalised and may have a quite harmless hobby destroyed.
EASA is already struggling to come up with rules that allow reasonable differentiation between R/C models and drones. The legal types seem to be having difficulty, as so often. Common sense isn't allowed I suppose.
For me the really annoying thing about this is that it looks like being a, possibly terminal, repeat of the last nonsense in UK. Way back in the Eighties, people started illegally importing and using CB radios. Those worked in the same frequency band as radio control models, so caused interference & crashes. The response of authority was to tell R/C modellers to buy new radios, changing frequency band, at considerable cost. They did nothing about the illegal CBs.
The modellers mostly had had paid up radio licences. Funnily enough, few continued to pay for those !
I'm not sure what to suggest. Maybe insist that a licence is shown before purchase of any model with GPS and/or artificial stability or 'autopilot' functions?
The snag with that approach is that, unless the authorities act sensibly, perfectly law abiding radio control model fliers will be penalised and may have a quite harmless hobby destroyed.
EASA is already struggling to come up with rules that allow reasonable differentiation between R/C models and drones. The legal types seem to be having difficulty, as so often. Common sense isn't allowed I suppose.
For me the really annoying thing about this is that it looks like being a, possibly terminal, repeat of the last nonsense in UK. Way back in the Eighties, people started illegally importing and using CB radios. Those worked in the same frequency band as radio control models, so caused interference & crashes. The response of authority was to tell R/C modellers to buy new radios, changing frequency band, at considerable cost. They did nothing about the illegal CBs.
The modellers mostly had had paid up radio licences. Funnily enough, few continued to pay for those !
I'm not sure what to suggest. Maybe insist that a licence is shown before purchase of any model with GPS and/or artificial stability or 'autopilot' functions?
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On Approach to LCY yesterday morning, just past the QE2 Bridge / Dartford crossing I was idly taking in the views of London when some type of blended-wing aircraft flew right past us in the other direction (west to east), passing under the wing, I almost cacked myself. It had a wingspan of 40-50cm I guess. I thought my eyes were deceiving me until I heard a guy a few rows back saying "Did you see that". I pointed it out to the cabin crew when de-boarding to which the reply was “oh thanks for letting me know”.
The description matches a delta wing drone that I think costs about £350 pounds. was looking at one in a shop in Devizes a couple of days ago.
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On a TV programme the other night, about a journalist returning to he's home city in Iraq with parts still held by IS, one big concern was IS drones dropping grenades on civilians. The children stayed inside to play and everyone watched the sky when outside. Shows what can be done with a drone.
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Flight crew spots drone flying near Ottawa airport
Air Canada Express airliner landed safely Tuesday without incident, Transport Canada investigates
CBC News
Flight crew spots drone flying near Ottawa airport - Ottawa - CBC News
Air Canada Express airliner landed safely Tuesday without incident, Transport Canada investigates
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Flight crew spots drone flying near Ottawa airport - Ottawa - CBC News
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C-GWSV, a Boeing 737-800 aircraft operated by WestJet, was conducting flight WJA1233 from Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood Intl, FL (KFLL) to Toronto/Lester B. Pearson Intl, ON (CYYZ). During the climb through 10 800 feet after departure from KFLL, a rotary UAV passed to the right of the aircraft at approximately 100 feet above. The UAV appeared to have something hanging off of it. The flight crew notified ATC.
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Disaster is inevitable. Ban drones...
"C-FMLV, a Boeing 767-300 aircraft operated by Air Canada rouge, was conducting a flight from Montreal/Pierre Elliott Trudeau Intl, QC (CYUL) to Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood Intl, FL (KFLL). While on the left downwind leg for Runway 10L at KFLL, the flight crew observed and reported a grey UAV that passed over the left wing by approximately 10 feet. The flight crew did not visually acquire the UAV until effective avoidance maneuver was no longer possible. There was a second encounter with a silver UAV when the aircraft was established on the LOC RWY 10L at about 2200 feet between PIONN (IF) and NOVAE (FAF)."
"C-FMLV, a Boeing 767-300 aircraft operated by Air Canada rouge, was conducting a flight from Montreal/Pierre Elliott Trudeau Intl, QC (CYUL) to Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood Intl, FL (KFLL). While on the left downwind leg for Runway 10L at KFLL, the flight crew observed and reported a grey UAV that passed over the left wing by approximately 10 feet. The flight crew did not visually acquire the UAV until effective avoidance maneuver was no longer possible. There was a second encounter with a silver UAV when the aircraft was established on the LOC RWY 10L at about 2200 feet between PIONN (IF) and NOVAE (FAF)."
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A complete ban on flight within X radius of an airport,
and above a certain height should stop all but criminals from being a nuisance?
A blanket ban will not deter the mentally unbalanced
anyway and penalize a very worthy hobby into the bargain.
I don't believe that delivery drones are more than an extremely limited publicity device, so any legit users like farmers or power companies could get a permit, but a straightforward proximity based rule should at least be tried,
all these little denied options begin to accrue.
IMO
and above a certain height should stop all but criminals from being a nuisance?
A blanket ban will not deter the mentally unbalanced
anyway and penalize a very worthy hobby into the bargain.
I don't believe that delivery drones are more than an extremely limited publicity device, so any legit users like farmers or power companies could get a permit, but a straightforward proximity based rule should at least be tried,
all these little denied options begin to accrue.
IMO
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Blanket bans are a complete illusion of security, after all they legally exist at the moment but it's clear they don't work. The real culprits will take no notice of any pathetic laws like this, only draconian, totally over the top retribution will have any effect. The most effective measure might be to educate the general public that people who fly drones close to airports are the same people who will kill your mother, brother, father etc. when they get it wrong. Let peer pressure do its job, like with drink driving. It is now acceptable to call Plod to have a look at someone who appears under the influence. Education, carrot and stick in the correct proportions.