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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 20:36
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susier, how the radar plot was constructed I don't know.

If it had been a snap-shot then there would have been many different contacts shown.

Instead it was a clean plot showing a succession of plots for just MH370. It was this plot that was shown to the Chinese relatives.

I would speculate that it was a computer generated plot showing the historic plot rather than an image from the radar system.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 21:39
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Two Things

1. The PLOT showed to the chinese families is quite old and has already been disavowed by malaysian authorities. so just forget it. The plane went northeast and made a left turn to a heading that has not been released, but generally in the direction of the thai/malay border (imho shortest way to an airport).

2. LANDING GEAR DOOR...you heard it here first.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 22:31
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glen different plot.

The one with the 270 deg RIGHT turn was a track plot. The one to which I refer is a different radar plot and was not a simple computer plot. It first surfaced via a photograph of the radar plot at a Chinese family briefing. The same plot was subsequently released by the Malaysians with Reuters as one source.

This radar plot is the one showing the last trace at 295/200 together with all the RPs and various FIR and sub region boundaries.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 22:53
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debris...

Speculating (its more likely a boat part)...but Alloy/fiberglass ???GLARE cargo floor debris??? Would likely be one part that could have enough impact strength to not break into a million smaller bits...
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 23:06
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Current information on the "wreckage" found is that it is metal sheeting with rivets, about 2.5M (8') long. Could be from anything.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 23:21
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It is all complete and utter ball****............we are all mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed high level crap.........
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 23:34
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Debris

ABC TV reporting that ATSB has discounted debris being from MH370
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 23:40
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"Unidentified material that washed ashore in Australia and is being examined for any link to the lost Malaysian plane is unlikely to have come from the jet, an official revealed today.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau had been scrutinising photos of the object, which washed ashore six miles east of Augusta in Western Australia state.
But Martin Dolan, chief commissioner of the bureau, said an initial analysis of the material - which appeared to be sheet metal with rivets - suggested it was not from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370".


Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Sheet metal that washed ashore in Australia is NOT wreckage from MH370 | Mail Online
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 23:53
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can you post the radar track and or plot of which you speak. I would like to see it. I just haven't seen the one you are talking about, I am not doubting you.

When you see 10 tons of BS, its easy to miss one tiny diamond!
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 23:57
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"ABC TV reporting that ATSB has discounted debris being from MH370"

That saved 10,000 speculative posts
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Old 24th Apr 2014, 04:47
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Washed up scrap on beach - ATSB do not believe to be related

Just for anyone looking for images of what washed up and is deemed unrelated at this stage by the ATSB:



Repeat : DEEMED NOT RELATED so don't go crazy with guessing which part of the aircraft it was from :-)

Source: Debris from missing MH370 could wash up on WA coast: expert
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Old 24th Apr 2014, 10:05
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Originally Posted by otech
Just for anyone looking for images of what washed up and is deemed unrelated at this stage by the ATSB:



Repeat : DEEMED NOT RELATED so don't go crazy with guessing which part of the aircraft it was from :-)

Source: Debris from missing MH370 could wash up on WA coast: expert
My first thought was that this looked very much like aircraft relatet, however, when I look closer at it it seems to be from a (refrigerated) truck or sea going container. I've worked in that industry for many years and know the design of those. What you see is a part of the outside skin of the container. The structure that is on the underside and riveted to the outside skin is the vertical stringers which help connect the outside and inside skin and/or stiffen up the side panel. The stringers would be about 1 metres apart. In addition you see some of the insulation foam, which would be polyurethane in most cases or PVC if it was to withstand significant structural loads which is usually not experienced in a simple side panel of the container. The sheet metal would be steel or aluminum, alternatively stainless steel on the inside skin, with steel it would be about 0.5mm thick on the outside skin and closer to 1mm thick on the inside skin, with aluminum it would be about 1 to 1.5mm thick. In this case it looks to be aluminum though.
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Old 24th Apr 2014, 10:19
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Picture of debris

Debris from missing MH370 could wash up on WA coast: expert

Where did you get the picture from? I can't find it in the article.
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Old 24th Apr 2014, 10:32
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How was MH370 re-identified after total loss of primary and secondary radar and loss of R/T, and thus it`s track plotted ?
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Originally Posted by arearadar
How was MH370 re-identified after total loss of primary and secondary radar and loss of R/T, and thus it`s track plotted ?
You have asked this question before and it was answered. Many other answers to the same question have also been answered.

Given your handle you must have a pretty good idea yourself.
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Old 24th Apr 2014, 11:12
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Spot on with your assessment. Look at the fasteners and the foam; this is not anything I have seen on an aircraft.

Note that there is a centroid in each of the fasteners; this is not a pop or hylock used on a aircraft. Given the location its not from a truck!
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Old 24th Apr 2014, 12:07
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Why is so much information being withheld in this case?

Is it simply because a lot of it is military and might reveal areas of missing radar coverage?

Is it reasonable to suppose all the radar data has been made available for the search, under an NDA? I read somewhere that Indonesia has been totally uncooperative.

Also I can't understand why any of the multiple weather satellites would not have picked up contrails. Unless the answer is that the aircraft flew low enough to not make them, in which case the search area is much too far south. But then what to make of the pingers? One really would hope that the frequency picked up was not 32.768Hz
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Old 24th Apr 2014, 12:25
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Why No Contrails Detected?

Also I can't understand why any of the multiple weather satellites would not have picked up contrails.
It was at night, so only IR satellites would see anything. Contrails are very narrow and probably outside the definition as seen by weather satellites.
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Old 24th Apr 2014, 12:27
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One really would hope that the frequency picked up was not 32.768Hz
If if would have been 32.768 it would have been reported as 32.768. But it was reported as 33..... I don't believe that the basic assumption here should be that the international searching team, the ATSB and have you are just plain idiots.
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Old 24th Apr 2014, 12:49
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'Contrails are very narrow and probably outside the definition as seen by weather satellites.'


No, see here, a very clear con trail within the current search area, from 11th March. (EOSDIS website)


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