Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
I'm inclined to agree with Ornis that they know more than we do, either way.
So either they know it's there, by whatever means (including the pings perhaps - but they certainly have more classified info that we're not party to) and they are looking in the right place, or they know it isn't there, and are looking in the wrong place for some obscure reason to do with obfuscating the truth.
More likely the first.
In which case I believe it's highly likely it will turn up there eventually. If you want to be a conspiracy theorist then that time might be once the geopolitical issues have been mostly ironed out and it's 'safe' to find it...
So either they know it's there, by whatever means (including the pings perhaps - but they certainly have more classified info that we're not party to) and they are looking in the right place, or they know it isn't there, and are looking in the wrong place for some obscure reason to do with obfuscating the truth.
More likely the first.
In which case I believe it's highly likely it will turn up there eventually. If you want to be a conspiracy theorist then that time might be once the geopolitical issues have been mostly ironed out and it's 'safe' to find it...
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Despite all the "tech" information, not one shred of evidence has emerged, in the form of wreckage, despite a vast sea search and sat imagery.
My gut feeling still says they are looking in the wrong places!!!!
Somebody should start a rethink of this mystery!
My gut feeling still says they are looking in the wrong places!!!!
Somebody should start a rethink of this mystery!
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One would think that either the aircraft was carefully and skilfully ditched, or some piece of wreckage would by now have turned up on some beach. Even at a few kt of current, it would have travelled 1000-2000nm by now.
This is completely bizzare, but then AF447 would have been too if it wasn't for the ACARS messages, and would have possibly never been found.
This is completely bizzare, but then AF447 would have been too if it wasn't for the ACARS messages, and would have possibly never been found.
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Yes, but, as with MH370, initial search was conducted close to where contact was lost and along the flightpath. Large peices of wreckage were soon located including the tail fin.
What bothers me with this MH is that despite massive satellite imagery nothing relating to MH370 has yet been located. Still think the search is in the wrong place!!!
What bothers me with this MH is that despite massive satellite imagery nothing relating to MH370 has yet been located. Still think the search is in the wrong place!!!
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I do not think the authorities had a lot to go on with an area selected just before the black boxes were due to die!
I see it as a clutching at straw site !
I am amazed how in this day and age that a jet of this size can fly for so long undetected! Just shows that if you ever wanted to attack any of these countries they would have no clue about you!
I know that in areas if the world I have flown in Europe you only have to go 1/2 a NM off track and someone jumps down your throat!
Even in Africa you are giving constant position reports and estimates as well as talking too other aircraft so this is amazing !
I do not think the authorities had a lot to go on with an area selected just before the black boxes were due to die!
I see it as a clutching at straw site !
I am amazed how in this day and age that a jet of this size can fly for so long undetected! Just shows that if you ever wanted to attack any of these countries they would have no clue about you!
I know that in areas if the world I have flown in Europe you only have to go 1/2 a NM off track and someone jumps down your throat!
Even in Africa you are giving constant position reports and estimates as well as talking too other aircraft so this is amazing !
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I am amazed how in this day and age that a jet of this size can fly for so long undetected! Just shows that if you ever wanted to attack any of these countries they would have no clue about you!
I know that in areas if the world I have flown in Europe you only have to go 1/2 a NM off track and someone jumps down your throat!
Even in Africa you are giving constant position reports and estimates as well as talking too other aircraft so this is amazing !
I am amazed how in this day and age that a jet of this size can fly for so long undetected! Just shows that if you ever wanted to attack any of these countries they would have no clue about you!
I know that in areas if the world I have flown in Europe you only have to go 1/2 a NM off track and someone jumps down your throat!
Even in Africa you are giving constant position reports and estimates as well as talking too other aircraft so this is amazing !
Only one satellite over the Indian Ocean used primarily for ACARs that was switched off, no radar coverage there either, limited primary radar coverage on the original route, you can disappear in Scottish airspace quite easily.
And of course flying in Africa, well you answered your own statement, they use position reports like so many places in the world because of limited radar.
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MH370 did not fly near any countries for much of its flight
What we do know is that 370 deviated from it's original planned route early in it's flight. This was apparently not seen as sufficiently unusual to start alarm bells ringing immediately and I would suggest that the delay in raising the alarm meant that MH370 was effectively allowed to disappear, for reasons which are as yet unknown...
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I haven't yet seen anyone in the media ask the question: "When it "disappeared" and was apparently then "seen" on Air defence radar an hour later, why was no action taken to intercept and identify it?"
This is the first thing that happens in Europe, the US and most areas when an airliner "disappears" or even loses radio contact. Malaysia is said to have a very advanced Air Defence System and yet it took no action....why?
This is the first thing that happens in Europe, the US and most areas when an airliner "disappears" or even loses radio contact. Malaysia is said to have a very advanced Air Defence System and yet it took no action....why?
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I haven't yet seen anyone in the media ask the question....
Yes the media asked, and yes an answer was given. Back in March according to some newspaper articles I've found... so no doubt already discussed a million times on this thread, suggest you go back a few pages and have a read.
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No threat.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Define 'threat'.
As far as the theatre tensions are concerned I imagine that the military threat was assessed as low. The Comair threat negligible. A higher military posture unnecessarily expensive.
As far as the tax payer is concerned, if there are tax payers, tucked up in bed, the State apparatus is protecting them. They are probably unaware of how that is done.
Take UK, how many people know what air defence reactive forces we have and at what readiness? Do they know where they are? Do they know what the RoE are?
I imagine the answer is either a lemon or largely wrong. I am still not too far out but cannot pretend to know what our systems are.
As far as the theatre tensions are concerned I imagine that the military threat was assessed as low. The Comair threat negligible. A higher military posture unnecessarily expensive.
As far as the tax payer is concerned, if there are tax payers, tucked up in bed, the State apparatus is protecting them. They are probably unaware of how that is done.
Take UK, how many people know what air defence reactive forces we have and at what readiness? Do they know where they are? Do they know what the RoE are?
I imagine the answer is either a lemon or largely wrong. I am still not too far out but cannot pretend to know what our systems are.
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- that is of great concern to residents in that part of the world. How can an unidentified non-transponding a/c flying over your territory be 'no threat'? Let's face it, they were asleep at the wheel and found it on the tapes.
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It appears to me someone went to a lot of trouble to make the final resting place difficult to find. If that is the case, what are the odds the final act was doing something to induce an in-flight breakup, thus spreading wreckage over a vast area both on the surface and on the seabed..??
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what are the odds the final act was doing something to induce an in-flight breakup, thus spreading wreckage over a vast area both on the surface and on the seabed
Either it entered the water largely intact and didn't generate much (if any) flotsam, or it isn't where they're looking.
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If that was the case, then I would suggest they would have found something.
look at the 747 that exploded just out from NY and the spread of wreckage.
I would have thought that the more break up mid air, the more floating debris on the surface that would have stayed floating and therefore been noticed at some point.
If that was the case, then I would suggest they would have found something.
look at the 747 that exploded just out from NY and the spread of wreckage.
I would have thought that the more break up mid air, the more floating debris on the surface that would have stayed floating and therefore been noticed at some point.