Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
Indonesia ARE involved sending assets to help search.
AMSA search finished for today
http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documen...MH370FINAL.pdf
AMSA search finished for today
http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documen...MH370FINAL.pdf
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Mm, Funny how the Indonesians don't join in as it is almost certain that 370 flew straight over the top of Jakarta, without iff!!!
More face-saving perchance?
More face-saving perchance?
This aircraft was deliberately flown, by human intervention, around sensitive air space and controls using carefully selected waypoints by someone(s) who knew what they were doing. Why we don't know. And I suspect that is what was intended. IMHO.
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Just saw this conformation from Malaysia that there are already images from other satellites.
Possible wreckage spotted in search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, RAAF plane on its way to identify objects | News.com.au
Presumably (hopefully) better resolution than the images taken on the 16th but released today. If they have another position from another satellite, it is more likely they the air search will be successful.
Possible wreckage spotted in search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, RAAF plane on its way to identify objects | News.com.au
DEBRIS CORROBARATED BY MORE THAN ONE SATELLITE: MALAYSIA
Malaysia’s Defence and acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says the satellite images of what appears to be debris is corroborated by more than one satellite.
He said this is why the latest sightings off Perth are more credible than previous sightings of debris.
Mr Hussein said the information from Australia was “corroborated to a certain extent from other satellites”.
Malaysia’s Defence and acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says the satellite images of what appears to be debris is corroborated by more than one satellite.
He said this is why the latest sightings off Perth are more credible than previous sightings of debris.
Mr Hussein said the information from Australia was “corroborated to a certain extent from other satellites”.
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Quote: Still a bit surprised the Chinese appear to have got caught out regarding the "debris" they spotted early on.
Believe that was released by a civilian agency -Amateur Chinese sleuthing?
Believe that was released by a civilian agency -Amateur Chinese sleuthing?
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i suspect if it was confirmed as the wreckage, it would have been "released" by the Chinese state...
Amuses me how after it was a "red hering" the Chinese then say ahh yes it wasn't released by the state
Amuses me how after it was a "red hering" the Chinese then say ahh yes it wasn't released by the state
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I have often wondered why these, valuable to the search and subsequent enquiry, items are not given some form of barostatic release. If so designed they could then automatically deploy to release themselves to the surface if the lost aircraft were to descend below a certain depth of water.
Probably because if they were still in an intact piece of the aft fuselage they would be required to unscrew themselves from their mounts, open the cargo door and swim to the surface?
I have often wondered why these, valuable to the search and subsequent enquiry, items are not given some form of barostatic release. If so designed they could then automatically deploy to release themselves to the surface if the lost aircraft were to descend below a certain depth of water.
Probably because if they were still in an intact piece of the aft fuselage they would be required to unscrew themselves from their mounts, open the cargo door and swim to the surface?
Is it technically possible? I'm sure it is. Something along the lines of an ADELT used on SAR aircraft, perhaps. But you impose all those penalties (weight, cost, opportunity for error and failure rate) on every aircraft built.
It leaves a bad taste in one's mouth to think it comes down to a willingness to spend money. But, it still has to be feasible to design, manufacture, sell and service. And that includes economic feasibility. And it is more than just money. You also increase the risks.
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Philipat - This aircraft was deliberately flown, by human intervention, around sensitive waypoints by someone(s) who knew what they were doing. Why we don't know. And I suspect that is what was intended. IMHO.
Chutes..?
That image could almost be a section of fuz and wing-roots...with chutes/rafts deployed. It begs the question; What are the sea temps, wind-chill there..? Any maritime survival experts here like to offer chances for survivors..?
WRT the "deployable ELT", the C-5A had something called CDPIR, can't recall the words to the acronym, but it was mounted on the top of the T-tail and was either released by pilot action or deployed at some loading and would float. It was a maintenance nightmare, often failing its BIT test and requiring an avionics man on a high lift. In the end, it was removed on the B-models and replaced by a conventional ELT.
It's possible, but cost is the issue
It's possible, but cost is the issue
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I read earlier cvr was now 24hr not the old 30 mins, they are digital not tape so even if wiped or over written forensic analysis will reveal a lot (given time).
pls corect me if wrong in general and specifcally on this aircraft
pls corect me if wrong in general and specifcally on this aircraft
Not entirely but the flight path around Thai/Indonesian airspace in and arounf North Sumatera is NOT a path that would have been flown randomly.
It's possible, but cost is the issue
Assign plbs to passengers seated by the doors, make it a requirement to get the seat.
One on every slide, one by every door.
Half of the Flight crew and cabin crew to wear them.
New plbs could be designed with a delay and 60 second duration audible alarm to minimize effects of false and accidental alarms.
They need to be a little smaller in size.
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Even if the boxes are found. The CVR reveals nothing, The DFDR reveals a more precise version of what we roughly already know?
This was very intelligently planned by someone(s) who did not want the facts ever to be revealed??
This was very intelligently planned by someone(s) who did not want the facts ever to be revealed??
This presumes no one opened the CVR circuit breaker at any point. If someone did open the breaker after a deliberate diversion was complete, perhaps to ensure a record of what happened in the cockpit, useful information may still be available.
If someone did open the breaker after the diversion began, it's also possible they closed it at some point when it was obvious there were less than two hours remaining until flameout, then made some kind of a statement.
All of which presumes MAS370's diversion was deliberate, not an accident.
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I think the question being posed is not why was that flight path used, but is there any evidence that flightpath was actually flown.
But I still do not believe there is any way that the aircraft flew over Indonesian airspace without being spotted. Aceh is a very sensitive area for Jakarta. The "Reported" flight path around the Northern tip of Sumatera would make sense ONLY if someone was trying to evade both Thai AND Indonesian detection? Other than that, I stand corrected.
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CVR 2 hours
FDR 25 hours
FDR 25 hours
AF447 proved a 30day ping is massively inadequate, pitch SAR time against the extra cost of carrying a 21 century black box..
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Southern Ocean "objects of interest".
We have seen low-resolution satellite images of objects in the sea, reported to be around 25m long.
Given the sensitivity of surveillance techniques, we do not know the origin of the data or if other images are available, in the visual spectrum or via radar.
What someone COULD perhaps release is whether these objects have been detected by more than one satellite or during more than one pass of a satellite over this area.
If they have been seen only by a single satellite in a single pass, then their potential significance is greatly diminished.
There is obviously a lot of junk floating around the world's oceans.
Given the sensitivity of surveillance techniques, we do not know the origin of the data or if other images are available, in the visual spectrum or via radar.
What someone COULD perhaps release is whether these objects have been detected by more than one satellite or during more than one pass of a satellite over this area.
If they have been seen only by a single satellite in a single pass, then their potential significance is greatly diminished.
There is obviously a lot of junk floating around the world's oceans.
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Hi,
If that image is what you says ... this must be a beacon activated ....
Anyways if this was survivors in this zone ... not in raft or any floating object with some protection .. after so long time and with the average temperature .. my best guess is no survival possible
That image could almost be a section of fuz and wing-roots...with chutes/rafts deployed. It begs the question; What are the sea temps, wind-chill there..? Any maritime survival experts here like to offer chances for survivors..?
Anyways if this was survivors in this zone ... not in raft or any floating object with some protection .. after so long time and with the average temperature .. my best guess is no survival possible