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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:08
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Sleemanj,

That image isn't recent. It goes back to at least 2012.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/mh3...pbox-map.3304/
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:13
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other ping rings

A number of previous posts have mentioned that only the last ping was recorded. obviously if the previous pings were available the track would have be plotted instantly -days ago!.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:15
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There are pictures of aircraft in flight all over Google Earth. They usually move between the color scans, so you get weird things like that.

Seeing signs?

Detecting 100-tons of fuel burning quickly?

It would be a tough job for a pressure detector.

It might show up in an infrared detector scanning for missile launches, although it would be a short track.

If the aircraft was over the ocean, then ocean surveillance radar constellations sweeping overhead should perhaps have seen something from it, although it's moving faster than they would be expecting, and they're probably not going to want to detect aircraft if they can help it.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:19
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I really HAVE to say something about hypoxia.
If you are involved in a decompression at altitude you will NOT feel dizzy, ill or euphoric. You will become unconscious without realising anything is wrong with you.
You absolutely MUST get the oxygen mask on immediately it drops and you MUST fit yours before assisting the kids.
Basil, You are correct. Pilots in PNG used it to quieten unruly highlanders on long flights to Moresby in unpressurised aircraft. Take it to 17 - 18 thousand and the pax go to sleep.
If the 777 did go to 40 - 45 thousand for a few minutes, whilst unpressurised, anyone not on oxygen would probably be dead.
As far as where the 777 is right now, the only certainty: - it is not in the air.
Prayers for the pax and families.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:23
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@Heli-phile

Didn't someone post a comment earlier today saying the 7:11 ping had also been tracked and was "near" 40 degrees, whereas the 8:11 ping was actually "on" it?
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:24
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That white image of the aeroplane is a 737. Check the wing sweep and engine positioning. Wave the Bullsh1t flag...again.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:25
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It is being reported that the US has requested Malaysia to "be transparent" and share the known information to eliminate confusion and speculation
The Malaysians' trust in the US may be ebbing as many of the recent stories come from 'US sources', i.e. leaks, and are critical of the Malaysians.
If there is sensitive data you really need to know it's not going to go any further.

The Malaysians may be thinking, 'You're going to blame either our pilots, procedures, or maintenance instead of your US-made aircraft, why should we work with you?'

Would you want to work with someone who may not be able to help, and could just stab you in the back, repeatedly? Then insist that you are to blame as their investigative bodies may conclude (e.g. Egyptair)?

(During one of the investigations I worked on several years ago, a copy of a request for information to a US state containing many sensitive details was uploaded to the state's public online library and made available for all to view. The state refused to remove it . It made relationships rather frosty.)
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:26
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other Ping Rings

Yes. I'm just asking for journalists reading this, to do their job and ask Hisham Hishammudin, Minister of Transport etc etc to answer the question at the next press conference, "Can we have the angle of the previous 'ping rings' pls"?
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:27
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Originally Posted by papershuffler
Would you want to work with someone who may not be able to help, and could just stab you in the back, repeatedly? Then insist that you are to blame as their investigative bodies may conclude (e.g. Egyptair)?
You might want to read the CVR transcript from the EgyptAir990 mishap.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:29
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attn journalists

At the next press conference, please ask:

Do you have data relating to all satellite pings from MH370? Do you intend to release that data? Have you extrapolated a logical flight path using that data? Does that flight path indicate further course alterations?

Finally, please can you tell me where I can obtain 4 tons of mangosteens at this time of year?
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:29
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- 1:07 - ACARS last transmission (thru VHF) which apparently includes notation of a WP change having been entered into system since last scheduled report at 12:37
- 1:11 - INMARSAT ping would have been received, as apparently Boeing's AHM report attempted to automatically transmit (thru Satellite?)
- 1:19 - 'Alright, Good Night' at handover (supposedly by co-pilot)
- 1:22 - Transponder goes off

Above (DS) for reference:
Erin Burnett on CNN just said twice in last 5 minutes that "we know now the left turn was programmed into the FMS "at least" 12 minutes before Good Night"
First I have heard something so "definite" - although coming from the appropriate Malaysian official at a news conference he can be questioned would be immensely better.

But (Erin's statement) obviously suggests that this "pre-programmed turn" was shown as some sort of data link report on the 1:07 ACARS transmission. (and so happened before 1:07, with obvious conclusions).

It would be great to have better sourcing, but Mike Schmidt, NY Times reporter interviewed an hour ago, suggested something very similar to Erin, from "his sources".

OTOH CNN then went to demonstrate this on their in-studio T7 FSim. The under-dressed pilot entered the course change and the AC started to turn, ie; Look how ez folks! Of course, it's moot, as the pre-programmed turn pre-1:07 "happened" at 1:22 or after. Let's see him program that in 2 keystrokes!

Note: On DS timeline, showing ACARS last transmission at 1:07, stopped some time before 1:37. Well, wouldn't the 1:22 transponder-off be sent to ground at 1:22 if ACARS was not disabled? If yes, then we can say ACARS was OFF at 1:22. ( 1:07 <-> 1:22)

P.S. Apologies to BARREL. The 40 degree turn from FR24, no longer discussed much but an obvious fly in the ointment, I can't stomach bringing up right now; esp. when FR24 has some accuracy issues.

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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:30
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I think martynemh is right. The most important thing is the information regarding the other pings from 2:11 to 7:11. It's incredible that journalists don't seem to be doing their job on this subject.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:33
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It is being reported that the US has requested Malaysia to "be transparent" and share the known information to eliminate confusion and speculation
Mmmmm............ Because the US is always transparent!
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:33
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It is being reported that the US has requested Malaysia to "be transparent" and share the known information to eliminate confusion and speculation
The Malaysians' trust in the US may be ebbing as many of the recent stories come from 'US sources', i.e. leaks, and are critical of the Malaysians.
If there is sensitive data you really need to know it's not going to go any further.
"Be transparent" could mean anything up to "we know exactly what happened to the airplane and we know that you know. And we are giving you a chance to announce it first." Just saying.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:34
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I'm aware of a c130 crash that was detected by seismological equipment that was positioned some 1000km from the crash. They did get the timing for the crash that way.

In the sea, possible the trippled or more distance though: Seems like a big task to find crash that way...
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:34
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You might want to read the CVR transcript from the EgyptAir990 mishap.
Yes, I am aware of the transcript, and that all evidence indicates pilot suicide. I didn't say that the US weren't correct in that instance.

One of my points is that the Malaysians may not want to lose control of the 'investigation', for several reasons. Ceding control to the US bodies while apparent leaks are still occurring? Not very attractive.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:36
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There were very good reasons not to announce early in this investigation that pings were being picked up.

I can think of similar reasons not to release more details even now.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:41
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Originally Posted by papershuffler
One of my points is that the Malaysians may not want to lose control of the 'investigation', for several reasons.
That is a valid position to take, as it is their airline, and the flight originated in their capital. A number of nations will doubtless be happy to assist. The UK and US are obliged to since Engines and Aircraft were built in those two nations.

Therefore, UK and US will be none too interested in a cover up. What they'll want is an actual investigation. My experience with morals and ethics in the third world advises me that this requires some effort to elicit, and pressure at time not to fall into the "same old same old" corruption and graft that a certain airline captain was so vocally against.

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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:47
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earlier pings

Rampstriker (and others) said:
It's unlikely Inmarsat kept anything but the last ping
For what it's worth, in Sunday's press conference the DCA Director specifically said that Inmarsat had provided data for six handshakes. He also said they had times and coordinates - although he obviously didn't actually mean "coordinates".
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 23:52
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I wonder whose idea it was to look for those pings in the first place? Inmarsat? Boeing? RR? The CIA?

With the Malaysians apparently not asking for much help, there must have been a bit of initiative and effort on the part of one of those organisations.
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