Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
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DB64, talk about oxymoron?
You first say repairs is unlikely to be a factor; it has been one year since they were carried out, then conflict yourself by saying some other repairs took longer to manifest themselves on other occasions. What is your point?
The first sentence was quoting The Ancient Greek. For some reason his speculation that repairs unlikely to be a factor did not appear as a quote.
The first sentence was quoting The Ancient Greek. For some reason his speculation that repairs unlikely to be a factor did not appear as a quote.
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Question: is there any factual basis to be concerned whether the sea search is being hampered by, or slowed down or made inefficient by, or even impeded by, the PRC's assertion a few months ago of certain airspace "rights" in that part of the world? I'm not speculating - it's a question.
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Engine Failure - Would have reported to ATC, it couldn't have been that catastrophic as to immediately down the aircraft.
Fire - Crew would have notified ATC.
Cabin Fire - Crew would have notified ATC.
Whatever it was it was abrupt and catastrophic, initial indications are the track bearing switched from 024 degrees to 333 degrees and altitude went from 35,000ft to 0ft along with the speed going from 468kts to 0kts in the space of one minute - As the flight was being monitored on secondary radar it would seem to me data supplied to the transponder ceased before the transponder eventually cut-out, and the aircraft for some as of yet unknown reason went down.
The only plausible theories I believe which led to the downing of the flight at this stage are;
Terrorism
Technical Nature - specifically in my thinking at the moment is an ADIRU failure previously experienced on a MAS flight - If this possibly happened on MH370, coupled with the fact the aircraft was over the Gulf of Thailand at 01:20 local Malaysian Time this could have had dire consequences if unexpected.
Catastrophic failure - Either an airframe component or it being caused by a sinister source.
What we are forgetting is that the crew were experienced, the captain was known for practicing on the flightsim on his days off and apparently helped in production with the PMDG 777X recently released for flightsim. And freakishly the same crew were filmed on 19 February flying from HKG to KUL on a 777-200 for a program on CNN's Business Traveller.
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Fire - Crew would have notified ATC.
Cabin Fire - Crew would have notified ATC.
Whatever it was it was abrupt and catastrophic, initial indications are the track bearing switched from 024 degrees to 333 degrees and altitude went from 35,000ft to 0ft along with the speed going from 468kts to 0kts in the space of one minute - As the flight was being monitored on secondary radar it would seem to me data supplied to the transponder ceased before the transponder eventually cut-out, and the aircraft for some as of yet unknown reason went down.
The only plausible theories I believe which led to the downing of the flight at this stage are;
Terrorism
Technical Nature - specifically in my thinking at the moment is an ADIRU failure previously experienced on a MAS flight - If this possibly happened on MH370, coupled with the fact the aircraft was over the Gulf of Thailand at 01:20 local Malaysian Time this could have had dire consequences if unexpected.
Catastrophic failure - Either an airframe component or it being caused by a sinister source.
What we are forgetting is that the crew were experienced, the captain was known for practicing on the flightsim on his days off and apparently helped in production with the PMDG 777X recently released for flightsim. And freakishly the same crew were filmed on 19 February flying from HKG to KUL on a 777-200 for a program on CNN's Business Traveller.
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Maybe someone important was onboard that needed to be done away with.
As for the non-Asian foreigners the only ones were the Austrian, Italian who ever they were, Russian, both Ukranians, four Australians, one American and three French.
The Dutch, both Canadians, both New Zealanders, one French, two Americans and three Australians were all Asian names.
As for the non-Asian foreigners the only ones were the Austrian, Italian who ever they were, Russian, both Ukranians, four Australians, one American and three French.
The Dutch, both Canadians, both New Zealanders, one French, two Americans and three Australians were all Asian names.
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Guys.... Come on.... Theres nothing wrong with speculation.... this is after all a rumour network.... But lets not attack each other.... let stupid comments slide. The mods will pick up on them and do whatever they want with them.
Currently theres an airliner MISSING. It didn't arrive at its destination. There are relatives of those on board suffering... and it must be a nightmare for them as they have no news at all, apparently.
The bottom line here, i guess, is that we all need to show a little more respect, because its looking increasingly like people have lost their lives...loved ones have lost their relatives. Its a sad day
Speculate away but do it with decorum.....
There have been some really moronic posts here..... but lets be professional and let them slide and speculate respectfully.
Just my 2 bobs worth
GW
Currently theres an airliner MISSING. It didn't arrive at its destination. There are relatives of those on board suffering... and it must be a nightmare for them as they have no news at all, apparently.
The bottom line here, i guess, is that we all need to show a little more respect, because its looking increasingly like people have lost their lives...loved ones have lost their relatives. Its a sad day
Speculate away but do it with decorum.....There have been some really moronic posts here..... but lets be professional and let them slide and speculate respectfully.
Just my 2 bobs worth
GW
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specifically in my thinking at the moment is an ADIRU
What we are forgetting is that the crew were experienced
The only plausible theories
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Curious to know if Dangerous Goods were onboard... specifically lithium batteries. While we are D/G approved, that is one of a few items I refuse to carry on my jet.
I know someone is going to ask about sea current speed and set RE SAR. debris/oil slick drift so thought I would post this
Monsoon Surface Drift of South China Sea
Monsoon Surface Drift of South China Sea
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there are 2 aboard 777. plus the unit itself is fault tolerant.
This in itself is meaningless, history of aircraft accidents is full of examples of where an 'experienced' crew essentially contributed to the catastrophe.
No, there are many other 'plausible' theories, some many of us would never think of. Aircraft were brought down by highly 'implausible' causes.
Are you going to continue picking off people to suit your agenda? if so you can keep away from my posts.
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Perhaps they were not attacking the aircraft but someone on it. There are two 'stolen passport' IDs on the aircraft and a 'redacted' ID.
AF447 went from cruising altitude to impact in just 3 1/2 minutes. During that time the crew were rather to busy trying to work out what was going wrong to make any calls.
An engine problem such as fuel starvation (for example) wouldn't have downed MH370 that quickly. I reckon they could have glided for 20-30 minutes which would have given them plenty of time to put out a Mayday. The fact they didn't do so suggests that whatever happened was either immediately catastrophic or quickly became so. Beyond that, I wouldn't like to speculate.
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[Global Warrior quote]Currently theres an airliner MISSING. It didn't arrive at its detonation.
I wonder whether the discrepancies in timings of the event were that at 1840 Subang ATC reported to MH or the authorities that they had lost contact with the aircraft, having tried to contact it and locate it for an hour or so. Could be something was lost in a translation?
Just a thought.
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Having looked out for MH370 crossing the same area this evening , The coverage seems very stable in that region on FR24 to suggest that when it indicated altitude 0 last night it was infact not receiving data due to something sudden.
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Perhaps they were not attacking the aircraft but someone on it. There are two 'stolen passport' IDs on the aircraft and a 'redacted' ID.
The fake pair of pax would not be bothered about Chinese immigration officers detecting 2 stolen passports at Beijing if they had no intention of arriving there, or anywhere else for that matter.
The fake pair of pax would not be bothered about Chinese immigration officers detecting 2 stolen passports at Beijing if they had no intention of arriving there, or anywhere else for that matter.
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DaveReid (at 124 or 124),
I'm not really sure what obscure point of terminology you were trying to make about my reference to "publicly available" radar information and I don't really care. I posted twice to let people know that FlightRadar24 shows radar/transponder tracking information with the aircraft disappearing in an area with good coverage at 17:19 UTC, not the time initially misreported by the airline and ATC. I posted this at a time when most commenters were still operating under the incorrect belief that the plane flew for two hours before crashing.
I think I contributed something of value to the discussion. How about you?
BTW, all subsequent data confirms that the plane went down at the place and time shown by the FlightRadar24 data I was mentioning
So, please excuse the
out of me if my non-aviator terminology didn't liveup to your expectations.
I'm not really sure what obscure point of terminology you were trying to make about my reference to "publicly available" radar information and I don't really care. I posted twice to let people know that FlightRadar24 shows radar/transponder tracking information with the aircraft disappearing in an area with good coverage at 17:19 UTC, not the time initially misreported by the airline and ATC. I posted this at a time when most commenters were still operating under the incorrect belief that the plane flew for two hours before crashing.
I think I contributed something of value to the discussion. How about you?
BTW, all subsequent data confirms that the plane went down at the place and time shown by the FlightRadar24 data I was mentioning
So, please excuse the
out of me if my non-aviator terminology didn't liveup to your expectations.