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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 8th Mar 2014, 14:57
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If you had your passport stolen, wouldn't you report it to your authorities especially if the passport was stolen whilst you were abroad? If not, how else would you leave the country?

If you have reported it, then the passport would then have been cancelled. Can a cancelled passport not be picked up by border control officers at International immigration? If not, then we have a major flaw in the aviation security system which needs fixing immediately.

In the meantime, we have aviation security officers continuing to confiscate nail clippers and bottles of water at the boarding gate thinking this prevents global terrorism.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:01
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could these just be from tankers?? ships etc?
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:03
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Italian passport belonged to 37 year old male, stolen August 2013, his parents have confirmed story also. Austrian passport belonged to 30 year old male, stolen 2 years ago. Both stolen in Thailand.
Hmmm... I can envision the combined efforts of the Italian and Malaysian bureaucracies not quite being sufficient to get that piece of information into the KLIA immigration computers in the elapsed time, after all there was Hari Raya, Christmas, Chinese New Year plus a dozen assorted other holidays to prevent these otherwise dedicated and efficient civil servants from performing their tasks. However the Austrian passport SHOULD have been spotted after 2 years...

could these just be from tankers?? ships etc?
Yes, in fact more likely. Dumping at sea is unfortunately a common practice, especially in that part of the world.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:03
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Anyone know who the US passengers were? Just wondering if any relevance.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:06
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As far as i know, there is no Global database for stolen passports. Only the country which issued the passport can identify a passport as stolen.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:06
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From Sky News:

"The two parallel slicks - both between 10 miles (16km) and 12 miles (19km) long and 500 metres apart - were seen by two Vietnamese air force jets off the south coast of Vietnam."

"A Vietnamese government statement said they were consistent with the kind of spills caused by fuel from a crashed airliner.

Rescue boats are being sent to the area from the nearby island of Phu Quoc to look for survivors."




Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Crashes Near Vietnam'
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:07
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Originally Posted by LegallyBlonde
Anyone know who the US passengers were? Just wondering if any relevance.
Relevance to what?


USA Today Breakdown of the nationalities on board Flight MH370

*The Americans were named as Nicole Meng, 4; Philip Wood, 51; and Yan Zhang, 2.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:09
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Ships would be more likely to dump sludge, bilge water with possibly some almost solid heavy fuel oil, and used lubricants.

Jet fuel is very different. Experts will check this out, ships are on the way.

To all the clowns who keep repeating "authorities should look at fr24" rest assured they know how to do their jobs.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:11
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Anyone know who the US passengers were? Just wondering if any relevance.
A two-year old and a four-year old each travelling with two relatives of Chinese nationality (so presumably born in the US) and a 51 year old male who appears to be an IBM exectuive.

So apparently no relevance.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:16
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For all we know the two false passport carriers might be some government's spooks entering China. Or illegal immigrants. Or something far more mundane.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:17
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there is no Global database for stolen passports
True, but countries where illegal immigration is a problem do exchange this information bilaterally. In the EU there is a single Schengen database, but transfer of information is done on a national level.

Because of this differing likelihood of getting caught, some passports are more prone to being stolen than others.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:19
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@scoobys

Actually they would have had about 40,000kg's trip fuel for that routing last night which should have took 5 1/4 to 5 and 1/2 hours. Depending on Alternates - which are TIANJIN (ZBTJ) and Zhengding (ZBSJ) for Beijing your looking at another 10-15,000kgs in additional fuel after ALTN, FINAL, APU, TAXI, CONT and any Additional fuel the flight crew chose.

Total's of around about 50-60,000kgs are correct.

Your post was not helpful in the slightest, mine was responding to someone asking how much fuel they had on-board so based upon EU Operations you are looking at about 7 hours or so for a 5 and bit hours flight. So thank you for your kind "I am 21 year old and no nothing gesture" - it really helps this thread.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:20
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oil slick

Does a modern jet like a 772 carry that much heavy "oil" - enough to form a slick 10-12 miles long? I can see it would have a lot of jet fuel, but what is the oil used for, apart from lubrication?
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:24
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Originally Posted by carlo321
Can anyone explain to me why they are still using FDR's (designed in the 50's) that must be searched at the bottom of the oceans if such things go wrong ? Unbelievable !
1. Satellite bandwidth is expensive. All that aircraft data sent 'just in case' is bandwidth that can't be used for any other purpose.
2. Retrofitting all existing aircraft with new hardware to do so is expensive.
3. In a catastrophic failure, it's unlikely to help, because you need both power, and a working antenna pointed in roughly the right direction, to send useful information.
4. Privacy. The existing ACARS infrastructure already told us what happened to AF447, but only the cockpit voice recordings told us why. I'm guessing most crews wouldn't want everything they say on board sent to a remote database via satellite.

It's certainly doable, but far from simple.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:28
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Stolen Passports

Various people have said that a stolen passport is cancelled and therefore useless. Whilst this may be true of immigration checkpoints it would seem that other uses of the passport are still possible. When you present your passport at check in there may be no link to establish whether the passport is valid.

Just seen dk post. Apparently the only thing you cannot do with a stolen passport is enter the country that issued it.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:30
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Just out of curiosity, while we all wait for the facts, has there ever been a proven case of an aircraft being hit by a meteorite???
Or space debris (old satellites, etc)? Certainly satellite/satellite collisions have already occurred in low earth orbit.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:36
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Oil Spill

>>Oil Spill pictures


Thanks for those pics, but that looks like a common algal bloom to me. Used to see them all the time on inshore coastal work. Nothing like a refined avtur spill.

And if this was a crash site, there would be cushons and seat squabs and all kinds of debris. Sorry, but this is not the crash site.

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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:37
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I think that's the point. There is no wreckage . As i said before, where the hell is it?
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:38
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It takes very little oil/jet fuel whatever to form a long/large slick on water. Yes of course the a/c would have carried enough to form a slick like that. These questions are very simple to answer, someone is on the way to look at it, they will take a sample, and we will know the source.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 15:39
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The picture of 'a slick' in post #357 looks like coral spawn.
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