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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 15th Mar 2014, 02:50
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A grizzly thought, would PF climb to FL450 after depressurizing the cabin to ensure all on board are KO'd because the drop down dixie O2 is not enough. At that altitude a pressurized O2 mask is required.
That was my thought, too... It certainly would make sense and would be the easiest way to eliminate any possible "problems" from pax or cabin crew.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 02:51
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Hate to break the bad news, but the all,the fleet of the 777 a I fly have chemical generators for the pax. I guess it's an airline option.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 02:52
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Originally Posted by xcitation View Post
A grizzly thought, would PF climb to FL450 after depressurizing the cabin to ensure all on board are KO'd because the drop down dixie O2 is not enough. At that altitude a pressurized O2 mask is required.
It would be very interesting to see what was simulated....if that data was recorded.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 02:52
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Article in a a Canadian newspaper

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 pilots lauded for strong ties to the community | National Post

On the face of it, none of this would seem to indicate deranged or potentially terrorist pilots.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 02:53
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Originally Posted by Vinnie Boombatz
@Physicus (#3579):
You can zoom in here:
ArcGIS Viewer for Flex

Some FIR boundaries look similar, some don't. The ICAO boundary between Thailand and Malaysia, for example, zigs and zags a lot.
ICAO's GIS does not agree with Burma's declared Yangon FIR boundaries (Burma's ENR 2.1 here).
Skyvector also fails to correctly chart some of these FIR boundaries.

Originally Posted by onetrack
2. An oil rig worker, on a highly-elevated platform WITNESSED a fireball in the sky, in the correct direction, at height, right about the time of the aircrafts disappearance.

It's been advised, no space satellite of any superpower, picked up this fireball. Despite this seemingly impossible scenario, it can't be dismissed that all the sky surveillance missed this event. (#3595 Permlink)
The photographed print of the email (link) sent by the rig worker Mike McKay does not contain an observation time. In his opening paragraph he states, "I believe I saw the Malaysian Airlines plane coming down. The timing is right." It is unfortunate that he did not give an accurate observation time.

In the email he furnishes estimates for distance and bearing ranges. His two references to the initial altitude are "... burning at high altitude ..." and "... at a lower altitude than the normal flight paths."

Considering McKay's postulate with some additional assumptions:
  1. target at a distance of 50 km to 70 km from rig,
  2. target on a true bearing of 255 to 285 degrees,
  3. target at an altitude 10,000 to 25,000 ft AMSL,
  4. target instantaneously adopts a random course after observation and glides without turning,
  5. glide ratio is between 6:1 and 12:1,
  6. no wind,
  7. spherical earth
and assuming a triangular distribution for (1) and (2), a uniform distribution for (3) and (5) and a discrete uniform distribution for the new course in (4), then the 99% confidence ellipse for a 10,000 iteration Monte Carlo simulation can be plotted (link to map; link to coordinates).

Although this location falls to the east of the area initially searched by Vietnam, debris drifting SW at 2 to 3 knots would by now have travelled about 400 to 500 NM to shore. Furthermore, the McKay scenario appears to be contradicted by the significant additional evidence alluded to by the US and Malaysia indicating a westward crossing of the peninsula followed by prolonged flight (cf. 'pings'). It is not convincing that a burning aircraft would endure prolonged flight of 4 to 5 hours. I think we can therefore set the McKay observation aside vis--vis MH370.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 02:53
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That all depends on the nature of the fire and where it began
Then find an accident with fire which (roughly) fits data of this accident, so far you aren't even close.
Valujet 592 fits PERFECTLY!

While they had time to issue a mayday, maybe the malaysian crew were taken by suprise and didnt get time.

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Old 15th Mar 2014, 02:54
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RR and BA did receive two...

...data transmissions, so the AC's equipment was subscribed and registered. The cell phone that's pinging without being subscribed should really have its settings mobile network boxes unchecked. That is what you would expect from a professional outfit like an airline.
I am puzzled by this pinging. If the electronic equipment and antenna is intact enough to send a signal to a satelite or cell tower, then why doesn't it send a datastream, even though there may be no data to collect due to other equipment failure? I strongly suspect that the military traced a different airplane, one that crossed paths with MH370 near the point where MH370 flew out of civilian radar range and lost the transponder. The pinging is generated by the plane that crossed MH370's path, but is not generated by MH370's equipment. Possibly the AC that the military radar tracked shot down MH370 or collided with it and kept on flying. That maybe why it chose the track along the boundaries of ATC's, so as to fall between the cracks, sort of speak.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 02:58
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this CNN report of lithium ion batteries is true, then it puts the likely hood of a Malay peninsula fly over as a maybe. The scaling down of the Vietnamese search is not a good idea.
They have got that from here? I know i mentioned it a few thousand posts ago.

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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:05
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But at the same time the T7 would shed its parts while going down 40K in one min. Not including ANY angle. Add anything above 30 deg angle and you are talking aerobatics. 777 will not cooperate in this scenario
Exactly...777 will not handle speed/g force/etc. Wherever that took place would have a large amount of debris as the plane fell apart.

The gruesome idea that the plane went to 40k and then depressurized to knock out the cabin is pretty horrible...but hypoxia would be faster than hypothermia.

Each day this story turns more and more into a bad movie plot.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:07
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It's already been posted, the data is likely in error and it didn't drop 40,000' in one minute.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:08
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Valujet 592 fits PERFECTLY!
Doesn't fit AT ALL.
The ValuJet flight was over in minutes after the fire was detected.
maybe the malaysian crew were taken by suprise and didnt get time.
Sure.. they didn't have time to utter a single sentence but instead had hours to wonder through the airspace, trying different directions, altitudes....
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:12
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it is quite sad that a popular senior pilot with a passion and love of his job is being character assassinated on here - not cricket guys sorry
he's one of you
It is not about one person. No stone must be left unturned. The people who had the opportunity must be looked at objectively and that includes securing any evidence that might shed light on their innocence or otherwise. The longer they leave it to forensically examine the Home SIM the greater likelihood it can be tampered with.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:17
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Originally Posted by Innaflap View Post
I habent seen it mentioned on here but CNN is saying
I just saw an "expert" on CNN claim that there was a seismic event (earthquake/aircraft crash) in the exact location at the exact time that contact was lost with MH370 and that the area was a "non seismic" area.

Perhaps someone should let him know the "event" happened an hour after contact was lost, and that the area is inside the "Ring of fire" seismic zone!
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:18
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All these suggestions about sabotage - maybe just maybe the supposed changes in heading/altitude were just a pilot trying to take control of a major systems/control failure. In the absence of any realistic motive or sabotage plan its possible there is no foul play. We are yet to question the absolute accuracy or detail of these pings and who has decoded them
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:21
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So, while struggling to gain control, they enter a new flight plan, remain at altitude, cease any comms FOR FIVE HOURS!
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:25
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Guys, its simple it doesn't add up, but there will be an explanation in time...
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:25
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Originally Posted by 1a sound asleep View Post
All these suggestions about sabotage - maybe just maybe the supposed changes in heading/altitude were just a pilot trying to take control of a major systems/control failure. In the absence of any realistic motive or sabotage plan its possible there is no foul play. We are yet to question the absolute accuracy or detail of these pings and who has decoded them
Well said. I was thinking the same as well. The fact of the matter is, no-one knows 100% what happened to MH 370. What about the right to be innocent until proven guilty? A lot of people on here making sensationalist accusations with little or no proof.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:26
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maybe just maybe the supposed changes in heading/altitude were just a pilot trying to take control of a major systems/control failure.
It is clear from the path (if the path is correct) they did not have big problems with controlling the jet, they could climb, descend, they could fly perfectly straight and make turns. Frankly the scenario that flight controls are busted and at the same time ALL communications channels are also down while the jet remains airborne for hours is so unlikely that alien abduction is probably equally likely at this point.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:29
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well it ...

It managed to pass through Indonesian and Thai airspace undetected, which is a bad sign for both countries air defense, if it dropped to a low altitude say -it may not be visible to radar.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:43
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Oxygen

A very few 777 carriers paid for bottled oxygen option for the pax cabin. Nearly all have chemical generators (plus a handful of portable bottles) for cabin crew.
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