Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

[barry lloyd]

PASSPORTS:

Stolen passports can be used by government agencies:

(if you can't bothered to read it all, just read para 2):

Assassination of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not suggesting that Mossad agents were on the flight, simply pointing out that lost passports can end up in the strangest places and be used for nefarious purposes.

[philipat]

Could somebody explain how contaminated fuel could result in the loss of an aircraft from cruise altitude with no comms?


Sure, put simply, it couldn't. Sleep well!!

[Ivanbogus]

Contaminated fuel doesn't make an airliner fall out of the sky, this is a case of a sudden catastrophic event !

[John Boeman]

Horrific..... The suddenness and the altitude of the occurrence...... It does remind me of China Airlines Flght 611.

[FIRESYSOK]

Based on the Vietnamese website photos, there is a large tract, perhaps 60x50nm roughly centered on the IGARI waypoint on M765 airway.

Perhaps the initial search area.

[andrasz]

... radar contact was lost ...

I doubt that it was really radar contact that was lost, at that point the aircraft was probably outside primary radar control. It was the transponder signal reporting position and flight parameters to ATC that was lost, but that does not necessarily mean that the aircraft is in distress. For all we know the aircraft could be anywhere between last known position and the limit of Vietnamese primary radar coverage area.

[Sop_Monkey]

My gut tells me this aircraft has had an instantaneous, catastrophic structural failure or in flight breakup. The similarities to PA103, AI, UTA, TWA and the list goes on are unerringly similar. Just leave the aviat, nav comm aside for a moment.

I hope and pray the poor soles on board didn't know too much about it. God we are lucky we only die once. May they rest in peace.

If there are any perpetrators, may they rot in hell.

[Simplythebeast]

My thoughts exactly so I womdered why QFBUSBOY had quoted that as a line of enquiry.

[Global Warrior]

A second point... given that this was on an IFR route, surely the wreckage can be found by flying the same route at 2000 ft, at 100kts?

i believe AF447 had turned 180 degrees by the time of impact

[mickjoebill]

On the other hand, in previous acts of aviation terrorism were false or stolen identity documents used?
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Yes, they were

Ok, does it follow that statistically, those traveling on false passports in an aircraft that has crashed are likely to be involved in its demise?

[LegallyBlonde]

Ok, does it follow that statistically, those traveling on false passports in an aircraft that has crashed are likely to be involved in its demise?

I think you would want to have a high index of suspicion anyway. Two passports, both stolen in Thailand, end up on this flight. May be completely unrelated but in the age in which we live, I wouldn't bet on it.

[silverstrata]

Wing flutter?

TWT

ASN and BEA say it was 9M-MRO that sustained wingtip damage at Shanghai-Pudong

ASN Aircraft accident 09-AUG-2012 Airbus A340-642 B-6050
ASN Aircraft accident 09-AUG-2012 Airbus A340-642 B-6050

Interesting.

If the wing-tip repair was not adequate, a poorly repaired wingtip that started to fail could cause an awful lot of wing-flutter.

I have only experienced wing-flutter on a glider, just for a few seconds (too much play on the aileron circuit), but it is nasty. It could easily pull an aircraft apart in minutes.

[RetiredTooEarly]

Any truth to the supposed Mayday Call put out?

Some of the darker parts of the Net in areas of Defence are saying a call from the aircraft was picked up with something like .......... "Cabin disintegrating ..... Forced landing ........?

Just another innuendo to muddy the waters but does make a bit of sense ..... maybe, perhaps!

[Greenlights]

No ELT signal ???

[The Ancient Geek]

The wingtip repairs are unlikely to be a factor, the aircraft has been back in service for around a year, any problems would have shown up earlier.

We can probably also discount terrorists, someone would have claimed responsiblity by now.

[andrasz]

... saying a call from the aircraft was picked up ...

I think we can safely assume that all possible reports of communication from the aircraft would have been followed up by the officials within 12 hours of the plane gone missing. As everyone now accepts a catastrophic crash as the likeliest scenario, I see no incentive for anyone to withhold confirmation.

[Greenlights]

hum...Passsport stolen indeed.
Ok, if we suppose terrorism for exemple, then why attacking a Malaysian a/c ?
It is often related to politics issues so...I don't see the point if we suppose that.

[Global Warrior]

My gut tells me this aircraft has had an instantaneous, catastrophic structural failure or in flight breakup. The similarities to PA103, AI, UTA, TWA and the list goes on are unerringly similar. Just leave the aviat, nav comm aside for a moment.

There was an accident a while ago. To give you an idea of the forces involved in an in flight break up, the aircraft departed controlled flight when a vertical stabiliser separated from the airframe, resulting in a pitch up and an almost instantaneous acceleration from 1 to 20 G's. The aircraft suffered continued breakup and the test pilot was killed. The gear was torn away from the airframe which is how investigators determined the forces involved.

Now... IM NOT saying that is what happened here at all. But an almost instantaneous 20G acceleration is not good for anything...... but the reason i mention it is that the test pilot didn't get a distress call in and there was in instant loss of telemetry.

[rachcollins]

Just google " Christian Kozel Austrian " or " Luigi Maraldi Italian " and specify results from the last 24 hrs


Both had their passports stolen in Thailand, both were not on the flight in question, there stolen passports were used to board MH370

[LegallyBlonde]

Source for stolen passports also confirmed by relevant embassies in some MSM.
Italian passport belonged to 37 year old male, stolen August 2013, his parents have confirmed story also. Austrian passport belonged to 30 year old male, stolen 2 years ago. Both stolen in Thailand.

Greenlights - Ok, if we suppose terrorism for exemple, then why attacking a Malaysian a/c ?
It is often related to politics issues so...I don't see the point if we suppose that.

Is there any logical point or sense to terrorism? Malaysian A/c - maybe they don't like their brand of Islam? JMO