Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
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Also, an Italian travelling to China would need a Visa from a Chinese Mission, which would, first, verify the Passport and, second, LOOK AT THE APPLICANT!!
Can we shut down this blind alley??
Can we shut down this blind alley??
You should really educate yourself on the immigration laws of the country concerned before criticizing other peoples posts.
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Position of Crash
Sorry if this has already been posted.
From flightradar24 - showing altitude zero (ie in the sea).
The position of the 777 is:
LAT: 6.68
LONG: 103.46
Why the search parties didn't just check on this website hours ago God only knows.
From flightradar24 - showing altitude zero (ie in the sea).
The position of the 777 is:
LAT: 6.68
LONG: 103.46
Why the search parties didn't just check on this website hours ago God only knows.
short flights long nights
So we have two stolen passports on the same flight? That does not sound good.
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Stop focusing on this passport issue ! People fly everyday all around the world with stolen passports. The aircraft has gone down for whatever reason, i highly doubt it has anything to do with stolen passports.
In the case of Adam Air 574 it didn't require any Control Law disparity (whatever that means) to achieve the same outcome.
The 777 might not be prone to the certain kind of upset experienced on AF447 but that doesn't mean it can't be put into an upset in a different way (possibly even one which might not happen in a 'Bus- the world is not always as simple and black/white as some obviously would like it to be).
Let's wait until we know a little bit more about what happened.
Heck we don't even know how large the wreckage path is, nor where it is.
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Statistical coincidence?
Were these unknowns trying to enter China for some other purpose there? And the aircraft loss was an unrelated coincidence?
I venture to suggest that the unfortunate promulgation of the manifest does indicate a scenario that has a higher probability than any other that comes to mind. Unless 2 completely unconnected false personae simultaneously tried to enter China on the same flight. Do your own calculations of probabilities.
Were these unknowns trying to enter China for some other purpose there? And the aircraft loss was an unrelated coincidence?
I venture to suggest that the unfortunate promulgation of the manifest does indicate a scenario that has a higher probability than any other that comes to mind. Unless 2 completely unconnected false personae simultaneously tried to enter China on the same flight. Do your own calculations of probabilities.
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IMHO, comparisons to AF are irrelevant. AF was flying through the ITCZ during bad weather. What relevance does that have to a 772 flying over the South China Sea in calm conditions? Can we remain focused here??
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As of now, it isn't obvious what accident reports you are referring to? We have a missing aircraft with no reports and a cut ACARS trail??
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Assuming the aircraft is located in a few days at most,
Any guesses on when we can expect the FDR and CVR to be retrieved? is the necessary equipment available in the area or will specialist vessels have to travel far?
I remember the ET409 accident off Beirut in waters of approximately the same depth, where it took slighly less than 2 weeks to find and retrieve the recorders.
Any guesses on when we can expect the FDR and CVR to be retrieved? is the necessary equipment available in the area or will specialist vessels have to travel far?
I remember the ET409 accident off Beirut in waters of approximately the same depth, where it took slighly less than 2 weeks to find and retrieve the recorders.
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I guess I could write off one stolen passport being used to board MH307 as a mere coincidence, but two stolen passports, both of which were stolen in Thailand, being used to board the same flight suggests to me something much more sinister may have taken place.
Both passports are from countries which have access to the visa waiver programme in PEK, providing they had tickets valid for travel from PEK within 72hrs they could board the flight without a visa.
There were flaws in many early European biometric passports which allowed access to the encrypted information stored on the chips very easily.
I know that the Italians upgraded their first series of biometric passports only 4 years after being introduced, which is amazingly fast for a country where simple systemic flaws often take decades to be rectified.
Providing the data on the chip correlates to the physical passport being presented to border officials, they will be far less likely to detect physical abnormalities caused by altering the passport itself.
Both passports are from countries which have access to the visa waiver programme in PEK, providing they had tickets valid for travel from PEK within 72hrs they could board the flight without a visa.
There were flaws in many early European biometric passports which allowed access to the encrypted information stored on the chips very easily.
I know that the Italians upgraded their first series of biometric passports only 4 years after being introduced, which is amazingly fast for a country where simple systemic flaws often take decades to be rectified.
Providing the data on the chip correlates to the physical passport being presented to border officials, they will be far less likely to detect physical abnormalities caused by altering the passport itself.
Passenger manifest now published and linked on the MAS website, so we may consider it official. For all its worth, the Italian and Austrian names are listed...
IF these reports of stolen passports are true (and for the time being no reason to doubt), it will be interesting to see where the information became lost. Malaysian immigration scans passports inbound/outbound, so we may safely assume that these were stolen was not entered into the system...
As for getting back on track, for the time being this seems to be the only scrap of information worth chewing on, though I agree it could be totally irrelevant.
IF these reports of stolen passports are true (and for the time being no reason to doubt), it will be interesting to see where the information became lost. Malaysian immigration scans passports inbound/outbound, so we may safely assume that these were stolen was not entered into the system...
As for getting back on track, for the time being this seems to be the only scrap of information worth chewing on, though I agree it could be totally irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Bridge Builder
Sorry if this has already been posted.
From flightradar24 - showing altitude zero (ie in the sea).
From flightradar24 - showing altitude zero (ie in the sea).
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Reports from a Chinese news website that US military at Utapao in Thailand picked up an emergency message from MH370 mentioning a disintegration of the fuselage. I would be very surprised if only a US military camp in Thailand was able to receive that message???