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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:08
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Also, an Italian travelling to China would need a Visa from a Chinese Mission, which would, first, verify the Passport and, second, LOOK AT THE APPLICANT!!


Can we shut down this blind alley??
You don't need a visa to enter PRC if you are a transit passenger with an on-going ticket to another country. You are allowed 72hours stay in the country with no visa.

You should really educate yourself on the immigration laws of the country concerned before criticizing other peoples posts.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:09
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Position of Crash

Sorry if this has already been posted.
From flightradar24 - showing altitude zero (ie in the sea).

The position of the 777 is:

LAT: 6.68
LONG: 103.46

Why the search parties didn't just check on this website hours ago God only knows.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:11
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That's a LONG way round. Amber 1??
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:12
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So we have two stolen passports on the same flight? That does not sound good.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:14
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Stop focusing on this passport issue ! People fly everyday all around the world with stolen passports. The aircraft has gone down for whatever reason, i highly doubt it has anything to do with stolen passports.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:14
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@philipat - amber/yellow is Great Circle Route. In red is the planned routing for this daily/regular route.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:15
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Originally Posted by Pucka
The Learmount thingy with AF is bollox..the triple is completely different and as a John Deere, will not suck you into a spurious control law disparity situation, it's a belt and braces device compared to the Bus.
I would not jump to any conclusions or rather exclusions.
In the case of Adam Air 574 it didn't require any Control Law disparity (whatever that means) to achieve the same outcome.
The 777 might not be prone to the certain kind of upset experienced on AF447 but that doesn't mean it can't be put into an upset in a different way (possibly even one which might not happen in a 'Bus- the world is not always as simple and black/white as some obviously would like it to be).
Let's wait until we know a little bit more about what happened.
Heck we don't even know how large the wreckage path is, nor where it is.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:16
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Reports that both passports were stolen from Thailand, so it is likely the two passengers had other things in common.

Criminality, illegal migration or terrorism?
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:18
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Statistical coincidence?
Were these unknowns trying to enter China for some other purpose there? And the aircraft loss was an unrelated coincidence?

I venture to suggest that the unfortunate promulgation of the manifest does indicate a scenario that has a higher probability than any other that comes to mind. Unless 2 completely unconnected false personae simultaneously tried to enter China on the same flight. Do your own calculations of probabilities.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:21
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IMHO, comparisons to AF are irrelevant. AF was flying through the ITCZ during bad weather. What relevance does that have to a 772 flying over the South China Sea in calm conditions? Can we remain focused here??
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:24
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Or......keep taking your medication and wait for the accident reports. Then you will know what happened.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:26
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It's been a long time, forgot the routes!! But aren't there shorter routes from KUL to PEK?? Over Vietnam and Cambodia??
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:30
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As of now, it isn't obvious what accident reports you are referring to? We have a missing aircraft with no reports and a cut ACARS trail??


My Meds, off duty, amount to a 1982 Margaux, which seems to work fine, thanks.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:30
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Assuming the aircraft is located in a few days at most,

Any guesses on when we can expect the FDR and CVR to be retrieved? is the necessary equipment available in the area or will specialist vessels have to travel far?

I remember the ET409 accident off Beirut in waters of approximately the same depth, where it took slighly less than 2 weeks to find and retrieve the recorders.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:37
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I guess I could write off one stolen passport being used to board MH307 as a mere coincidence, but two stolen passports, both of which were stolen in Thailand, being used to board the same flight suggests to me something much more sinister may have taken place.


Both passports are from countries which have access to the visa waiver programme in PEK, providing they had tickets valid for travel from PEK within 72hrs they could board the flight without a visa.


There were flaws in many early European biometric passports which allowed access to the encrypted information stored on the chips very easily.


I know that the Italians upgraded their first series of biometric passports only 4 years after being introduced, which is amazingly fast for a country where simple systemic flaws often take decades to be rectified.


Providing the data on the chip correlates to the physical passport being presented to border officials, they will be far less likely to detect physical abnormalities caused by altering the passport itself.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:39
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Passenger manifest now published and linked on the MAS website, so we may consider it official. For all its worth, the Italian and Austrian names are listed...

IF these reports of stolen passports are true (and for the time being no reason to doubt), it will be interesting to see where the information became lost. Malaysian immigration scans passports inbound/outbound, so we may safely assume that these were stolen was not entered into the system...

As for getting back on track, for the time being this seems to be the only scrap of information worth chewing on, though I agree it could be totally irrelevant.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:39
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OK, so you are insinuating that Pitos and the ITCZ are the issue here??
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:41
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Originally Posted by Bridge Builder
Sorry if this has already been posted.
From flightradar24 - showing altitude zero (ie in the sea).
flightradar24 often briefly reports the altitude as zero when the radar contact is lost. This means nothing.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:46
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Reports from a Chinese news website that US military at Utapao in Thailand picked up an emergency message from MH370 mentioning a disintegration of the fuselage. I would be very surprised if only a US military camp in Thailand was able to receive that message???
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 13:46
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2 fake passports on same flight......i cannot imagine someone trying to migrate to china or even transit via china on a MAS flight via PEK
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