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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:25
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Ok but even the US CIA and Whitehouse have said its a possibility they can't rule out......
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:27
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A report says the Americans said that the engines continued to tx data for several hours. Surely Rolls can officially confirm or deny this?
There are two separate issues which are being confused. That engine data continued to be transmitted has been denied by all, including now, apparently, RR.

The latest, and separate, issue relates to satellite data. According to US sources, although MH did not subscribe to Boeing's ACARS satellite monitoring system, the aircraft was fitted with the necessary devices which, although not getting connected, would still Ping the satellite every 30 minutes. According to the same US sources, they have access to GPS data altitude and track. Perhaps this was possible as a result of triangulation with multiple satellites, including "Spook" satellites, which may be why specifics are not forthcoming.

If true, we should soon know because, if the pings are every 30 minutes, it should be on the same heading and within 250 nm of the last ping?
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:29
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Rolls-Royce concurs with Malaysia on missing jet's engine data

Rolls-Royce concurs with Malaysia on missing jet's engine data
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:30
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Both pilots were fully qualified to be sat in that cockpit. Or at the very least, both held an ATPL. What makes you think they needed a "Home flight sim" to do anything untoward that their professional training and experience hadn't already furnished them with the required skills and knowledge for?

Hit your head of the wall all you like Dress, but your demands they check the home flight sim is just and ridiculous and unwarranted and others suggesting they search China for the plane.

Up to know, the only certain truth is a plane is missing. It's transponder stopped transmitting and it's not been seen or heard from since. All else is conjecture.
So no need to look for any evidence of wrong doing then!
Oh hang on, outside of the cockpit (when he is always accompanied) where else can a "Fully qualified" pilot route plan, check fuel consumption, practice disabling equipment?

I'm not alleging anything. I'm saying this should have been investigated by now to dismiss the possibility. Thats what investigations do!
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:35
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I believe the circuit breakers for the CVR and FDR on the 777 are not in the cockpit.
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:38
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This is where the drama started

Post 1389 of this thread

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...ml#post8364395

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater

What do you see? I see an alarm go off and almost no search, with jackets on. Big bags going through xray.

After Egyptair, Silkair, LAM and the like, would be worth to know if MH 777 flight deck doors can be opened from outside by keycode.

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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:42
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I should imagine there is a key code access to the flight deck. If the FAS type it in, the door alarm goes off and the door will temporarily unlock for a few seconds then re lock so long as the door is in normal mode. If it is in lock mode then the door will not open period.
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:42
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Pprune Expertise

I second GvonSprout's praise of the PPRuNe community's expertise. PPRuNe members are putting their collective noodle together to prune down the potential range of incredible scenarios for MH370's disappearance.

While there have been other plane disappearance mysteries, they are only a handful and most have yielded at least a few clues quickly.

The dearth of apparent clues is remarkable here, but PPRuNe is finding that there certainly are some: a possible radar tracking, ACARS pinging, perhaps cell phone pinging and so forth.

Perhaps the most interesting clue is the stonewalling, obfuscation, contradiction and reversals of stakeholders with access to such information. Certainly they have their military, political, economic and engineering--and possible other--reasons.

Traditionally, the world has come to expect nations to put aside such concerns in the face of disaster. And how much can any of them really be hiding?

The range of their primary radar? If the NSA has everyone's phone records, I'd be surprised if it didn't know what parts of the world are radar covered--or not.

ACARS subscription contracts? Surely pointless bureaucratic fears are mangling the truth here.

And so on. So once again, tip o' the hat to PPRuNe for doing the aviation community a solid in its role as Sherlock Holmes.
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:44
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Captain Moody

It would seem Eric Moody's suspicion on a smoke screen may have some substance... speaking on Skynews the other day.
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:45
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bsieker,

Thanks, I did not know that. The antenna destruction and slow decompression theory, worked for me. Because every possible scenario I had considered. There was always some issue that negated it.

Now the four hours of engine activity have been denied.

However there was a loss of communication. Apparently of all types.

The primary radar information of a change of course is uncertain. There is obviously quite a bit of pressure to find the aircraft. Hence the nervous reaction from the Malaysians.

Needle in a haystack time.
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:45
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Sky news onboard Malaysian Air Force aircraft report

Sky news just had a report from onboard one of the search aircraft, if any of his details where accurate and true he claims they do not have any equipment onboard to detect anything (pings etc) , so it's just visual looking out either side of the aircraft at low level. Also it quoted as a new search area, so I'm not sure this is good enough to find anything at this stage if any things to be found.
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:48
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I should imagine there is a key code access to the flight deck. If the FAS type it in, the door alarm goes off and the door will temporarily unlock for a few seconds then re lock so long as the door is in normal mode. If it is in lock mode then the door will not open period.
All airlines have different equipment. It would need a source that KNOWS the MH 777, to rule out the loo theory (as it happened on LAM E190 a few months ago = deliberate CFIT).
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:51
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So this captain spent all that time building this "sim" who knows how long he had it in a post he mentions FS9 (FS2004) some posts are back from 2011, and now people are assuming he built it for the purpose of training to land on unfamiliar airfields to possibly carry out this "attack"

This is in the same category as "they put it down on a Jungle strip" BS
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:51
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I understand. However there must be a way of denying access to the FD regardless of the airline setting.
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:54
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Waypoint IGARI is just 94nm from the Malaysian AFB at Gong Kedak (WMGK). Based there are SU-30 Flanker fighters - I would have though such aircraft would need sophisticated air defence radar to direct them and detect threats.

Are the Malaysians saying that the equipment there couldn't track a 777 flying right past this base and it's movements past IGARI?
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 11:59
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Oh hang on, outside of the cockpit (when he is always accompanied) where else can a "Fully qualified" pilot route plan, check fuel consumption, practice disabling equipment?
You DO know how many hours this captain has/d, don't you?
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 12:00
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Originally Posted by threemiles View Post
Post 1389 of this thread

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...ml#post8364395

What do you see? I see an alarm go off and almost no search, with jackets on. Big bags going through xray.

After Egyptair, Silkair, LAM and the like, would be worth to know if MH 777 flight deck doors can be opened from outside by keycode.
If you're wondering about the hypothetical difficulty of getting a weapon past security - yes, that's definitely possible (but obviously not recommended). The pat-down in Malaysian (and similarly Indonesian [and others]) airports is basically a formality and no where near as extensive or rigorous as the US. It seems like the majority of people set off the scanner - even with the obvious things removed (belt, lighters, phone, etc) so there's quite a few people getting routine pat downs and, as we all know, anything routine results in short-cuts and inattention. I could imagine that if one were ballsy and serious about it, they'd just pack a gun in their crotch or shoes - as the guards don't spend a lot of time on those areas. I cannot remember the last time I've even seen a hand scanner in the airports - it's always a pat down. IMO, security in SEA airports is mostly about the appearance of security with just adequate usage of the normal stuff (scanners), but definite swiss cheese.

That being said, I find US airport security to be a PITA/chip-on-shoulder/police-state in comparison but let's save that discussion for another time.

Personally, I'm still in the "no foul play" camp on this one. I also find the excessive paranoia over the captain's sim hobby to be firmly within the realm of "the terrorists have won."

People just want a dramatic outcome rather than the more likely sad reality.

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Old 14th Mar 2014, 12:00
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As the bird flies.

If reports about the likely (destination according to radar plots) is to be believed, and subsequently proved as being the Andaman Islands and we accept that someone set up a very deliberate flight path using recognised way points.

Why didn't 'they' set a direct course across the Thai peninsula.

That would have saved time and fuel.

Thoughts on why 'they' decided to fly over Malaysia first and then changed the heading?

Obviously this was not spur of the moment stuff.

Why that route?
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 12:00
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Warning - hacker's exploiting this story

Be wary of following up news items on this story.

Cyber criminals are already using the interest generated by this event to lure people into malware laden sites.

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Old 14th Mar 2014, 12:08
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Yes, if there was a second change of heading that pretty much negates the hypoxia theory - although depressurisation could still have been used as a weapon to incapacitate everyone else. Hijacking is far fetched, the logistics are too great and the risk of failure too high. So if there was a change of course, odds on it was towards deeper water. No change in heading and hypoxia is back as number one suspect. In the absence of confirmation, the lack of transponder signal still increases the odds that this was a deliberate act. Inmarsat or whoever it is that has the logs must have about 10 pings. That will allow calculation of direction and speed and hence any navigational changes. Even if there was no change in HDG murderous intentions are not completely ruled out, as any culprit might prefer self induced hypoxia to violent concussion. In every investigation like this innocent people who may have crossed the scene will be looked at. There can be no squeamishness about doing this.
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