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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:18
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a Western Chinese dissident doesn't look much like an Italian
Plenty of people in Xinjiang could pass for a european some southern - some northern
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:22
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And KUL is a great airport. Connection times are VERY short, which is the "Good" news. Transit times Europe/Asia (London to Bali for instance) can be as little as 45 minutes. The bad news is, potentially, I wonder how good the baggage checks are??

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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:22
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Google "uyghur people photos"
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:22
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However, and I don't wish to speculate, ACARS would NOT help much in the event of some type of catastrophic failure which resulted in an immediate stop in transmission?
Has the time ACARS stopped transmitting been established at all?
I haven't read anything definitive about ACARS from this flight so far.
Unlike AF447 I haven't seen anything regarding what the last transmissions of this flight were. If it stopped completely out of the blue that would be an indication towards a catastrophic event.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:22
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I'm sure a Chinese visa official would know the difference between an Italian and a Chinese
Yes, that might be very obvious, but some lighter Middle Eastern guys can be surprisingly similar to darker Italians.

There are some Middle Eastern guys located in Indonesia/Malaysia/Singapore.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:24
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Originally Posted by stanley11
...major foul up in the authorities to flag out the passport
Whether this will have any bearing on the events or not (AND if the information proves to be true), I agree with the comments above. The immigration officers at KLIA are not the brightest, and on exit their main concern is to find that magical entry stamp in the passport. A non-roundeye holding an Italian passport with an Italian sounding name would probably trigger some suspicion, but someone with a middle-eastern or even fairer south Asian complexion would be given just a passing glance if the computer does not give any warning. Whether the passport would have been flagged as stolen and invalid depends on the Italian authorites circulating the information, then the Malaysian authorities entering that information into their immigration system. As we know, the bureaucracies of neither fine lands are known for their speed and efficiency...

Moreover Italian passport holders need a valid visa to enter China, so there had to be (a real or forged) visa sticker in that passport for whoever was using that passport to be permitted t board, that would have been checked together with the passport at the check-in counter. Now that would indicate quite a degree of determination and preparation, either to get in to China under a false identity (not exactly a risk-free endeavor), or to simply board this flight. I'm sure this is being looked into as we post.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:27
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Time Zones - Be aware

To pre-empt any discussion related to times. Vietnam is 1 hr *behind* Malaysia despite being geographically to the East.

That is, as I write, the time is 9:23 pm in Malaysia and 8:23 pm in Vietnam.

Keep that in mind when reading reports from different sources and especially the time of last reported contact - which may well introduce a 1hr ambiguity in flight duration.

This may well explain why the supposed crash location is an hour out from KL but is reported as two hours - which would be North of Vietnam.

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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:27
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Indeed, the Uygurs are Turkic people and there might indeed be some similiarity to a Southern European. Also, the photograph on the passport used needs not be the original one.

That said, if (and this is a big IF!) there should indeed be a criminal act involving the person in question connected to this accident, it is a bit illogical to use an airline of a fellow Muslim country for this attack, as despite the large number of Chinese nationals on the passenger list, it is nevertheless a Malaysian aircraft and the attack will rather be seen as directed towards Malaysia than China. Also, criminals in the past have tended to proudly and quickly claim responsibility for such an attack; as far as I know such word is still not out on this accident.

Not even a part of the aircraft (apart from some oil that may or may not be related to this accident) has been found yet, and already the accident is solved by many, it seems. Please be not too quick to jump to conclusions.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:29
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All batteries rise in temp when under load due to chemical actions. Batteries out of a circuit in a shipping container have no active chemical actions and would take on the ambient temp.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:29
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Weather normal, no mayday and even no location.
Only 2 things come in mind :
- a sudden problem (explosion)
- a unaware problem, cf AF 447
sure we need to wait for the investigation, but anyway, no need to be expert to suppose that firstly.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:30
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"Plenty of people in Xinjiang could pass for a european some southern - some northern"


Um, not really. Also, an Italian travelling ex-KUL to PEK would require a Visa and with a cancelled Passport and a Chinese face, the chances of doing that might be slim??
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:30
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BUT, a Western Chinese dissident doesn't look much like an Italian, even to a totally clueless Official?
Modern Uighurs also descend from Iranian peoples. I'm pretty sure some can pass for Italian.
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:32
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Originally Posted by stanley11
...major foul up in the authorities to flag out the passport
Whether this will have any bearing on the events or not (AND if the information proves to be true), I agree with the comment above, that while immigration officers at KLIA are not the brightest, any non-roundeye holding an Italian passport with an Italian sounding name would surely trigger a second look - just as if I tried to board a plane with a Chinese passport and a Chinese sounding name. Whether the passport would have been flagged as stolen and invalid depends on the Italian authorites circulating the information, then the Malaysian authorities entering that information into their immigration system. As we know, the bureaucracies of neither fine lands are known for their speed and efficiency...

Moreover Italian passport holders need a valid visa to enter China, so there had to be (a real or forged) visa sticker in that passport for whoever was using that passport to be permitted t board. Now that would indicate quite a degree of determination and preparation.
There is possibly, a very simple explanation.... Check in with stolen passport (part of a group, milling around etc etc..... Go through immigration with real one?
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:36
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Couple of Links

A couple of other links - stories appearing. No idea of authenticity so caveat emptor! I do not endorse either link.

Malaysia Airlines Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah of MH370 is an experienced pilot. He set up this 777 simulator. - Sharelor

Who is Passenger 84 on MH370 and why is his/her name blurred out? [View Uncensored Image] - Sharelor
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:37
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"There is possibly, a very simple explanation.... Check in with stolen passport (part of a group, milling around etc etc..... Go through immigration with real one? "


There is this thing called a Boarding Card??
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:37
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Racial background in Xinjiang is extremely mixed. Plenty of roundeyes In a city like Urumchi in 94 maybe 5% could pass for an italian and there were also a few with blond hair/blue eyes
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Chinese passenger jet carrying 220 people in near miss with North Korean missile | South China Morning Post




Coincidence ?
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:39
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Web link - (original post edited to remove link to passenger manifest) - caveat emptor as always and not endorsed by me!


Malaysia Airlines Captain*Zaharie Ahmad Shah of MH370 is an experienced pilot. He set up this 777 simulator. - Sharelor

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Old 8th Mar 2014, 12:40
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After what happened in a Beijing Railway Station last week, I'm sure there is a lot of interest in option 2.
Try Kunming Station, Yunnan Province. Thousands of miles away from Beijing.
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2nd stolen passport on board

According to Austrian Foreign Ministry the Austrian on the manifest is well and in Austria. His passport had been reported stolen 2 years ago in Thailand. This has been reported by APA news agency in Austria.
http://www.apa.at/News/6217359958/bo...rschollen.html

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