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BCN Flightline
Well, this company clearly doesn't let the small matter of a lost aircraft and the death of six people get in the way of their progress. They've now acquired an Embraer EMB 120 Brasilia:
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Sunnyjohn & BigFrank,
There are another two fatals on ASN's database.
18/02/98 another Metro operated by Ibertrans Aerea which crashed during an attempted return to BCN after departure for a nightmail flt to Brussels, 2 fatalities.
10/10/01, this time a Merlin IVA (pretty much the same type) which crashed into the Med with 10 fatalities following a suspected lightning strike/CB encounter whilst flying BCN- Oran.
Another couple of non fatal accidents in there too, for good (?) measure.
There are another two fatals on ASN's database.
18/02/98 another Metro operated by Ibertrans Aerea which crashed during an attempted return to BCN after departure for a nightmail flt to Brussels, 2 fatalities.
10/10/01, this time a Merlin IVA (pretty much the same type) which crashed into the Med with 10 fatalities following a suspected lightning strike/CB encounter whilst flying BCN- Oran.
Another couple of non fatal accidents in there too, for good (?) measure.
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Full (?) details of EASA report published 19 Apr on Spanish buck passing re AOC
I have been trying to locate this for some time without success.
It has been posted recently elsewhere on these boards however.
Specifically within the section Miscellaneous/ Airlines, airports...
where it goes under the title "EASA..safa". I posted there that I would myself post the link here but I have not managed to do so; but I am informing you where to find it. Currently it has fallen to near the foot of the front page.
(As well as some disturbing comments about 2/3 UK airlines, one of whom I would describe as a major 2nd division outfit, and several other references en passant to worries related to other major EU countries [and to Israel]) the description printed by the EU of its attempts to get to the bottom of the FlightlineBCN/ Air Lada/ Euro Continental charade of buck passing and subterfuge certainly does not inspire any confidence in me.
And that exercise in hand-wringing is only undertaken after 6 people including both crew members ¡ have died !
Is anybody taking the issue of the game played by these "airlines" not to mention the games played by the famous Manx2 "non-airline" and/ or their equivalents elsewhere in the EU seriously, as I write ?
It has been posted recently elsewhere on these boards however.
Specifically within the section Miscellaneous/ Airlines, airports...
where it goes under the title "EASA..safa". I posted there that I would myself post the link here but I have not managed to do so; but I am informing you where to find it. Currently it has fallen to near the foot of the front page.
(As well as some disturbing comments about 2/3 UK airlines, one of whom I would describe as a major 2nd division outfit, and several other references en passant to worries related to other major EU countries [and to Israel]) the description printed by the EU of its attempts to get to the bottom of the FlightlineBCN/ Air Lada/ Euro Continental charade of buck passing and subterfuge certainly does not inspire any confidence in me.
And that exercise in hand-wringing is only undertaken after 6 people including both crew members ¡ have died !
Is anybody taking the issue of the game played by these "airlines" not to mention the games played by the famous Manx2 "non-airline" and/ or their equivalents elsewhere in the EU seriously, as I write ?
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Finding the EASA report mentioning Air Lada etc
Ignoring the major sub-divisions in orange on the front page, we are posting within "Rumours and news" which is the first specific forum on the front page of this website.
If you count down to the 22nd such level of specific forums on the front page then you get to "Airlines, airports...." (or something like that)
Within that forum, the post you want is currently near the foot of the first page and called "Easa safa"
(I guess that Easa safa in the search box at the top will get you there too. Nope. Doesn´t seem to work. Just count to 22 it seems.)
Interested to hear your comments after you read it.
If you count down to the 22nd such level of specific forums on the front page then you get to "Airlines, airports...." (or something like that)
Within that forum, the post you want is currently near the foot of the first page and called "Easa safa"
(I guess that Easa safa in the search box at the top will get you there too. Nope. Doesn´t seem to work. Just count to 22 it seems.)
Interested to hear your comments after you read it.
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Thanks for the link
Moltes gràcies.
Muchas gracias.
...and as for the content ?
What it tells you about the attempts by the EU to control non-EU i.e.Manx based airlines or ticket sellers or who knows what operating with impunity within the jurisdiction of the EU ? And the EU based airlines or para-airlines or airline-type-entities operating mainly (though not exclusively) in and around Barcelona ?
Muchas gracias.
...and as for the content ?
What it tells you about the attempts by the EU to control non-EU i.e.Manx based airlines or ticket sellers or who knows what operating with impunity within the jurisdiction of the EU ? And the EU based airlines or para-airlines or airline-type-entities operating mainly (though not exclusively) in and around Barcelona ?
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Thanks BF - I have it. Difficult to read and possibly politically 'evasive'. The sort of report that can be 'buried' in history and not picked up on by the 'media'. I guess Manx2 does not appear as it is not an 'Air Carrier'? A big hole in the system. I cannot fathom the 'Oasis' bit, although there was an Oasis International Listed as Spanish until 2006 I think.
Perhaps some media folk may show some interest and do some more digging? Good work from you.
Perhaps some media folk may show some interest and do some more digging? Good work from you.
Easa report
Having read it, it isn't clear if the AOC review was insigated prior to the accident on 10th Feb, All references are 'March 2011' or later. The way I read it I get the impression that these were perhaps follow up actions after the accident at Cork, again perhaps after the investigators looked at the operational control and management of the aircraft.
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Having read it, it isn't clear if the AOC review was insigated prior to the accident on 10th Feb, All references are 'March 2011' or later. The way I read it I get the impression that these were perhaps follow up actions after the accident at Cork, again perhaps after the investigators looked at the operational control and management of the aircraft.
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The air carrier Flightline was heard by the Air Safety Committee on 5 April 2011. They briefed that they had introduced revised procedures to enhance the operational control of Flightline flights, particularly those operating away from their main base, had amended their Operations Manual to include
guidance on the use of alternate aerodromes, had amended their training programme to reinforce pilot knowledge of operating procedures, and had revised their pilot selection procedures.
guidance on the use of alternate aerodromes, had amended their training programme to reinforce pilot knowledge of operating procedures, and had revised their pilot selection procedures.
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Oxymorons
"Well self-regulated" is a quaint ideal and, I agree, quite an oxymoron in reality.
I added "sustainable growth" to my own list of oxymorons yesterday. Of course, sustainable growth is only possible where you have infinite resources. When will the economists ever learn that our planet's resources are finite?
I added "sustainable growth" to my own list of oxymorons yesterday. Of course, sustainable growth is only possible where you have infinite resources. When will the economists ever learn that our planet's resources are finite?
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"Thanks" + press coverage + ongoing mysteries
I did not originate the correct link either technically or indeed in discovery terms. I chanced to spot it elsewhere in a section of this board which I don´t normally visit.
I had intended to keep chasing it, but life gets in the way. However the total silence of the majority of UK/ Spanish / Irish media on most of the issues mentioned here remains striking. (Notwithstanding the BBC radio programme from London and the tv programme from Belfast).
I did incidentally see a turbo-prop plane in the FlightlineBCN colours on local tv yesterday. It was linked to a sports story where the Barcelona basketball team ( ¿ Regal ?) flew to a match in Vitoria, in the Basque Country and were delayed for two hours in arriving. Due to some sort of problem with the air transport ! Provided by....the plane in the shot.
I had intended to keep chasing it, but life gets in the way. However the total silence of the majority of UK/ Spanish / Irish media on most of the issues mentioned here remains striking. (Notwithstanding the BBC radio programme from London and the tv programme from Belfast).
I did incidentally see a turbo-prop plane in the FlightlineBCN colours on local tv yesterday. It was linked to a sports story where the Barcelona basketball team ( ¿ Regal ?) flew to a match in Vitoria, in the Basque Country and were delayed for two hours in arriving. Due to some sort of problem with the air transport ! Provided by....the plane in the shot.
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Shining lights in dark corners
Rest assured that a considerable number of lights are being shone from different sources and angles into this preventable tragedy.
The central thread is why two qualified pilots agreed on 3 occasions to fly an approach three times that simply should not have been made. If my maths is correct, that is 6 individual mistakes for starters.
Consider for a moment an analogy of two drivers in one mini-bus running three red/stop lights at three different sets of cross roads.
At some stage in 2012 there will be an Inquest. Inquests can and do, in this Corporate Manslaughter Era, result in prosecutions. Our friends in Spain are also adept at criminal investigations into aviation accidents (Spanair et al.)
There is much buck-passing going on, as always in these situations. However, the music will be forced to stop in due course, with accountability and some significant rule changes within the EU.
The central thread is why two qualified pilots agreed on 3 occasions to fly an approach three times that simply should not have been made. If my maths is correct, that is 6 individual mistakes for starters.
Consider for a moment an analogy of two drivers in one mini-bus running three red/stop lights at three different sets of cross roads.
At some stage in 2012 there will be an Inquest. Inquests can and do, in this Corporate Manslaughter Era, result in prosecutions. Our friends in Spain are also adept at criminal investigations into aviation accidents (Spanair et al.)
There is much buck-passing going on, as always in these situations. However, the music will be forced to stop in due course, with accountability and some significant rule changes within the EU.
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EASA Report
Thanks for the link, SWBKCB. What a load of old hokum. Flightline BCN can continue to operate provided they don't use their Metros. Guess where those Metros will appear next - Air Lada, Eurocontinental, Stringbag Airways? Who can say . . . They surely got wind of this because they have just bought an Embraer (see post 1056). Unbelievable - but then Spain can be somewhat unbelievable.
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Does anyone know if there is any substance in the rumour that one or both of the Manx2 crew had not had sufficient rest prior to operating the flight, or that they may have been working at some point during the night putting the seats back in after a freight flight?
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"This is a valid and serious question, thats why I'm asking...."
I may also ask what is the source of this information? and this also is a " valid and serious question"
I may also ask what is the source of this information? and this also is a " valid and serious question"