Qantas A380 uncontained #2 engine failure
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Wing Damage
I am reading with great interest the comments on this forum. It is only now, that I realise, that the images of the punctured wing available in the media leave something to be desired, for they have been taken from the lower deck. As a passenger on board of QF32, I managed to take a few photos when it happened. Unfortunately I could not get hold of my camera (phone), while the fire was burning, therefore this picture will have to do. The view from the upper deck was excellent, but it was not possible, to see, what actually caused the main hole (diameter appx. 70-80cm), it happened too fast. What intrigued me however, was the smaller more rectangular hole closer to the fuselage (bottom of the image). If this was penetrated by something shaped like a fan blade, it must have hit the fuselage as well. When we had to exit the plane on starboard, there was no way, to have a closer look.
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No professional journalist would copy information from PPrune, any more than they would from Wikipedia. Its posters are anonymous and it lacks credibility. How can anyone rely on the information here when it's populated as much by 15-year old Microsoft 'pilots' and people who know little about the industry as it is by qualified crew?
Professional journalism - those who understand it - is about credibility. Only a numbskull would lift posts wholesale from here without checking their accuracy.
Citing an anonymous web forum, as if it's gospel, is the height of unprofessionalism. If you don't know who the poster is, how on earth can you assign any credibility? Hell, I could have put up that list of Qantas faults, and I know sod all.
Nothing wrong with using the information here as a starting point, but if you can't be bothered to do your job as a journalist and check the information is reliable, then you can count me out as a reader.
Professional journalism - those who understand it - is about credibility. Only a numbskull would lift posts wholesale from here without checking their accuracy.
Citing an anonymous web forum, as if it's gospel, is the height of unprofessionalism. If you don't know who the poster is, how on earth can you assign any credibility? Hell, I could have put up that list of Qantas faults, and I know sod all.
Nothing wrong with using the information here as a starting point, but if you can't be bothered to do your job as a journalist and check the information is reliable, then you can count me out as a reader.
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All very well but you do not understand journalism.
Accuracy and proper research does not sell newspapers.
Sensation! Shock! Horror! Drama! Scandal! is what sells newspapers.
Accuracy and proper research does not sell newspapers.
Sensation! Shock! Horror! Drama! Scandal! is what sells newspapers.
Fargoo and HalloweenJack
Yes, I realise that this seems to be a circular set of posts. But I would very much like to know what is the full extent of the damage to the airframe and the systems. The list that appeared in these previous posts seems to be totally unsubstantiated. Is there a relaible source anywhere?
The Ancient Greek
Unfortunately I tend to agree with you.
Yes, I realise that this seems to be a circular set of posts. But I would very much like to know what is the full extent of the damage to the airframe and the systems. The list that appeared in these previous posts seems to be totally unsubstantiated. Is there a relaible source anywhere?
The Ancient Greek
Unfortunately I tend to agree with you.
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Anyone can make a long list by including cause AND effect.
e.g.
* Total loss of all hydraulic fluid in the green system
* Partial failure of speed brakes/ground spoilers
etc.
e.g.
* Total loss of all hydraulic fluid in the green system
* Partial failure of speed brakes/ground spoilers
etc.
bearfoil
Of course you are right. But I would prefer a reliable list of damage rather than what looks likes uninformed speculation. Let's hope there is an official report reasonable soon. However, as other have said, the ATSB updates are excellent and a model of how information should be made available.
kwateow
My point is that I would like to know soon what the 'primary' damage is. I fully realise that anyone can list all the services rendered u/s by the loss of a specific hydraulic system, etc.
Of course you are right. But I would prefer a reliable list of damage rather than what looks likes uninformed speculation. Let's hope there is an official report reasonable soon. However, as other have said, the ATSB updates are excellent and a model of how information should be made available.
kwateow
My point is that I would like to know soon what the 'primary' damage is. I fully realise that anyone can list all the services rendered u/s by the loss of a specific hydraulic system, etc.
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No doubt the folks who will have the best early understanding of airframe & systems damage are Airbus.
They already have the FDR data, and the following from the ATSB indicates their guys in SIN will soon see the hidden bits:
"In Singapore, the No 2 engine has been successfully removed from the aircraft and is being prepared for transport to a local engineering facility for technical examination under ATSB supervision. The removal of the engine will also facilitate closer examination of the damage to the surrounding wing and other structures and systems."
But they're not likely to tell you and me what they find, not yet anyway.
They already have the FDR data, and the following from the ATSB indicates their guys in SIN will soon see the hidden bits:
"In Singapore, the No 2 engine has been successfully removed from the aircraft and is being prepared for transport to a local engineering facility for technical examination under ATSB supervision. The removal of the engine will also facilitate closer examination of the damage to the surrounding wing and other structures and systems."
But they're not likely to tell you and me what they find, not yet anyway.
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The "list" with schematic and explanations.Or:Wer glaubt an den Weihnachtsmann ?
Stricken Qantas A380 jet was full of holes | Herald Sun
Stricken Qantas A380 jet was full of holes | Herald Sun
I'll just re-post Vic Cairns picture:
I am reading with great interest the comments on this forum. It is only now, that I realise, that the images of the punctured wing available in the media leave something to be desired, for they have been taken from the lower deck. As a passenger on board of QF32, I managed to take a few photos when it happened. Unfortunately I could not get hold of my camera (phone), while the fire was burning, therefore this picture will have to do. The view from the upper deck was excellent, but it was not possible, to see, what actually caused the main hole (diameter appx. 70-80cm), it happened too fast. What intrigued me however, was the smaller more rectangular hole closer to the fuselage (bottom of the image). If this was penetrated by something shaped like a fan blade, it must have hit the fuselage as well. When we had to exit the plane on starboard, there was no way, to have a closer look.
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All very well but you do not understand journalism.
Accuracy and proper research does not sell newspapers.
Sensation! Shock! Horror! Drama! Scandal! is what sells newspapers.
Accuracy and proper research does not sell newspapers.
Sensation! Shock! Horror! Drama! Scandal! is what sells newspapers.
With certain jounalists/media I read every word carefully. With most others I speed read skipping over the adjectives.
It helps to have the experience to know who you can trust
It helps to have the experience to know who you can trust
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Does this AD by the FAA mean they were aware that the Trent 900 was having "difficulties" long before the Trent 900 failed on the Qantas A-380?
Mike
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Sorry, thought I had read every post so far, didn't realise it was already out there since #729. The list I received was an email from a drinking partner of one of the tech crew on board and has been edited to exclude names etc. So, horses mouth, once removed.
Regarding the AD, the one I saw went as follows:
Regarding the AD, the one I saw went as follows:
Parabellum
Many thanks for giving some background to where your information came from. Clearly, there was a lot more damage then the initial information gave us to believe. So, even more credit to the crew!
Many thanks for giving some background to where your information came from. Clearly, there was a lot more damage then the initial information gave us to believe. So, even more credit to the crew!