Afriqiyah Airbus 330 Crash
Originally Posted by Icarus
Is it me, or can anyone else not see any evidence of any burning/fire in the video clip posted? Might that point towards contributing factors?
A fuel starvation scenario would result in a power loss and belly landing, keeping the aircraft more/less intact, not what we see here.
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Eltonioni:
I'll rephrase, ..evidence of any burning/fire.. in regard to the fuselage, airplane fixtures and fittings, and the surrounding area.. (such as trees - very dry trees!) nor scorched ground etc.) I might even hazard a guess that the truck (which only appears burnt) if so, may have been caused through other incendiary means or might just be extremely dirty and filled with dark soil.
Andrasz:
- don't agree, looks more like dirt/ground soil to me.
I'll rephrase, ..evidence of any burning/fire.. in regard to the fuselage, airplane fixtures and fittings, and the surrounding area.. (such as trees - very dry trees!) nor scorched ground etc.) I might even hazard a guess that the truck (which only appears burnt) if so, may have been caused through other incendiary means or might just be extremely dirty and filled with dark soil.
Andrasz:
One larger fuselage section appears to be covered with soot.
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Andrasz:
Are you saying that deliberately busting minimums on NPAs is the only reason they are less safe than a precision or other type of vertically-guided approach?
I hope that isn't what you intended to imply.
qsyenroute: accidents during non-precision approaches don't happen because of the lack of precision navaids. They happen because time after time someone thinks that those minimums are just a suggestion, and they can go just a bit lower...
I hope that isn't what you intended to imply.
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Nit picking I know, but the pictures of the Orange box with the cover off in the news link in post #24 attracted my attention.
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Initial information's says that the cause of the crash was a late go around attempt carried out below minimums wile flying an NDB rwy 09.
3 Libyan crews, 1 cpt 2 fo's
Airplane delivered in september 5A-ONG
3 Libyan crews, 1 cpt 2 fo's
Airplane delivered in september 5A-ONG
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Nit picking I know, but the pictures of the Orange box with the cover off in the news link in post #24 attracted my attention.
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Are you saying that deliberately busting minimums on NPAs is the only reason they are less safe than a precision or other type of vertically-guided approach?
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Yellow Shark (post #18) and qsyenroute (post #21) - forget the political correctness here. Tripoli ATC is dire!! Trained in the UK means nothing when you have a certain mindset in life. And they will blame everyone but themselves - it's the 'Maghreb way'....
x-feed - I would say it's not a 330 problem at all! The CX incident was a RR problem, not the aeroplane
The FMS line selectable VOR 09 for TIP works fine as long as you're at the platform altitude before the automatics capture the profile and go into FINAL APP mode. I've seen it happen myself there - in fact it's known that the FINAL APP mode won't capture on most line selected RNV approaches unless you are at platform on these aircraft.. The answer - if visual handfly the aeroplane, else go around and start again..
So - what do they do with all the gazillions of oil money? A decent ILS system wouldn't be much to ask for would it? Oh heck - this is LIbya we're talking about here
x-feed - I would say it's not a 330 problem at all! The CX incident was a RR problem, not the aeroplane
The FMS line selectable VOR 09 for TIP works fine as long as you're at the platform altitude before the automatics capture the profile and go into FINAL APP mode. I've seen it happen myself there - in fact it's known that the FINAL APP mode won't capture on most line selected RNV approaches unless you are at platform on these aircraft.. The answer - if visual handfly the aeroplane, else go around and start again..
So - what do they do with all the gazillions of oil money? A decent ILS system wouldn't be much to ask for would it? Oh heck - this is LIbya we're talking about here
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Found on Foxnews.com
Haven't seen this bit about the "inlet" here yet. Something for you pros to speculate about ---
One passenger wrote on "Twitter" on approach to the airport that something was wrong with the plane, referring to a "left wing inlet," Dutch media reported. The pilot of the plane appeared to know he was in trouble upon approach, calling ahead to Tripoli to request ambulances be at the ready.
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One passenger wrote on "Twitter" on approach to the airport that something was wrong with the plane, referring to a "left wing inlet," Dutch media reported. The pilot of the plane appeared to know he was in trouble upon approach, calling ahead to Tripoli to request ambulances be at the ready.
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The pilot of the plane appeared to know he was in trouble upon approach, calling ahead to Tripoli...
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Haven't seen this bit about the "inlet" here yet. Something for you pros to speculate about ---
One passenger wrote on "Twitter" on approach to the airport that something was wrong with the plane, referring to a "left wing inlet," Dutch media reported. The pilot of the plane appeared to know he was in trouble upon approach, calling ahead to Tripoli to request ambulances be at the ready.
Regards,
LoboTx
One passenger wrote on "Twitter" on approach to the airport that something was wrong with the plane, referring to a "left wing inlet," Dutch media reported. The pilot of the plane appeared to know he was in trouble upon approach, calling ahead to Tripoli to request ambulances be at the ready.
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Which of course is not a problem - slight performance penalty only.
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I, too, heard a news report (I am sure it was BBC) that said the pilot had reported a malfunction and had requested emergency services to be readied but that the aircraft exploded prior to landing. I can't, now, find that same report written on the BBC website but I will continue looking to provide attribution.
The local newspaper story (in English) is here - still not the wording I know I heard in the breaking-news story but.. a different pov maybe?
The local newspaper story (in English) is here - still not the wording I know I heard in the breaking-news story but.. a different pov maybe?
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