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Old 12th May 2010, 12:46
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Originally Posted by Icarus
Is it me, or can anyone else not see any evidence of any burning/fire in the video clip posted? Might that point towards contributing factors?
One larger fuselage section appears to be covered with soot. During a complete disintegration like this, most of the remaining fuel on board would be vaporized and go up in a fireball at the point of initial impact, leaving very little residual fire, especially in a desert with no undergrowth. Items in the immediate vicinity of the fireball would be covered with soot, but much of the wreckage would heve been thrown clear by the force of impact and momentum.

A fuel starvation scenario would result in a power loss and belly landing, keeping the aircraft more/less intact, not what we see here.
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Eltonioni:
I'll rephrase, ..evidence of any burning/fire.. in regard to the fuselage, airplane fixtures and fittings, and the surrounding area.. (such as trees - very dry trees!) nor scorched ground etc.) I might even hazard a guess that the truck (which only appears burnt) if so, may have been caused through other incendiary means or might just be extremely dirty and filled with dark soil.

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One larger fuselage section appears to be covered with soot.
- don't agree, looks more like dirt/ground soil to me.
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Burned out pick up truck being removed @ 1:16

YouTube - Libya plane crash kills all 104 on board - 12-05-2010.
The pick up truck could have also had fuel in it's tank.
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Nit picking I know, but the pictures of the Orange box with the cover off in the news link in post #24 attracted my attention.
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Old 12th May 2010, 12:58
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This quote from a NYC CBS news report:

"Foreign media is quoting a Libyan security official as saying the plane "exploded on landing and totally disintegrated."
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qsyenroute: accidents during non-precision approaches don't happen because of the lack of precision navaids. They happen because time after time someone thinks that those minimums are just a suggestion, and they can go just a bit lower...
Are you saying that deliberately busting minimums on NPAs is the only reason they are less safe than a precision or other type of vertically-guided approach?

I hope that isn't what you intended to imply.
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Old 12th May 2010, 13:13
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Nit picking I know, but the pictures of the Orange box with the cover off in the news link in post #24 attracted my attention.
Nothing has been compromised or 'removed'. The mounting racks etc are incidental. The memory is in the cylindrical/spherical parts you can see. Nobody on site could possibly get inside these.
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Old 12th May 2010, 13:27
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BBC reporting crew requested fire and ambulance on standby prior to crash.
Cldrvr: Do you remember where you saw/heard this? It's not mentioned on the BBC's website article
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Hi,

Nobody have a idea of the cargo if any other than luggages ?
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Old 12th May 2010, 13:37
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Initial information's says that the cause of the crash was a late go around attempt carried out below minimums wile flying an NDB rwy 09.

3 Libyan crews, 1 cpt 2 fo's

Airplane delivered in september 5A-ONG
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Initial information's says that the cause of the crash was a late go around attempt carried out below minimums wile flying an NDB rwy 09.
And the source?
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Old 12th May 2010, 13:45
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And the source?
My ex colleagues down there
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Old 12th May 2010, 13:57
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo
Nit picking I know, but the pictures of the Orange box with the cover off in the news link in post #24 attracted my attention.
The cover was not removed. Modern FDRs just look that way.

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Old 12th May 2010, 14:14
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Originally Posted by aterpster
Are you saying that deliberately busting minimums on NPAs is the only reason they are less safe than a precision or other type of vertically-guided approach?
Not at all, the widespread availability of precision approaches have greatly improved overall safety in the past 20 years. However if you look at the pattern of non-precision approach accidents, a disturbingly high proportion happen due to going below minimums, inadvertantly or deliberately. Rule #1 when doing a NP approach - know when to abandon it.
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Old 12th May 2010, 14:23
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Yellow Shark (post #18) and qsyenroute (post #21) - forget the political correctness here. Tripoli ATC is dire!! Trained in the UK means nothing when you have a certain mindset in life. And they will blame everyone but themselves - it's the 'Maghreb way'....

x-feed - I would say it's not a 330 problem at all! The CX incident was a RR problem, not the aeroplane

The FMS line selectable VOR 09 for TIP works fine as long as you're at the platform altitude before the automatics capture the profile and go into FINAL APP mode. I've seen it happen myself there - in fact it's known that the FINAL APP mode won't capture on most line selected RNV approaches unless you are at platform on these aircraft.. The answer - if visual handfly the aeroplane, else go around and start again..

So - what do they do with all the gazillions of oil money? A decent ILS system wouldn't be much to ask for would it? Oh heck - this is LIbya we're talking about here
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Old 12th May 2010, 15:25
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Found on Foxnews.com

Haven't seen this bit about the "inlet" here yet. Something for you pros to speculate about ---

One passenger wrote on "Twitter" on approach to the airport that something was wrong with the plane, referring to a "left wing inlet," Dutch media reported. The pilot of the plane appeared to know he was in trouble upon approach, calling ahead to Tripoli to request ambulances be at the ready.


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Old 12th May 2010, 15:37
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Originally Posted by LoboTx
The pilot of the plane appeared to know he was in trouble upon approach, calling ahead to Tripoli...
Seems to carry little credibility at present, were it true I'm sure the libyan press would be full of headlines like "heroic pilot fights composite crackerbox to the end..." by now. Given time, someone would figure out how to spin the Swiss into the story as well on the baddie side.
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Old 12th May 2010, 16:24
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Are passengers now allowed to be twittering on approach? In Libya anyhow?
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Old 12th May 2010, 16:28
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Haven't seen this bit about the "inlet" here yet. Something for you pros to speculate about ---

One passenger wrote on "Twitter" on approach to the airport that something was wrong with the plane, referring to a "left wing inlet," Dutch media reported. The pilot of the plane appeared to know he was in trouble upon approach, calling ahead to Tripoli to request ambulances be at the ready.


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I wonder if they meant left wing winglet. I recently saw a photo of one of their A330-200s without a winglet on one wing.

Which of course is not a problem - slight performance penalty only.
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Old 12th May 2010, 16:34
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Cool

I, too, heard a news report (I am sure it was BBC) that said the pilot had reported a malfunction and had requested emergency services to be readied but that the aircraft exploded prior to landing. I can't, now, find that same report written on the BBC website but I will continue looking to provide attribution.

The local newspaper story (in English) is here - still not the wording I know I heard in the breaking-news story but.. a different pov maybe?

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