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Ryanair incident Ciampino.

Old 29th Dec 2018, 16:06
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Originally Posted by joe two View Post
Why do passengers think we always make automatic landings ?
Weird.
Well it seems some pilots once fell into the same trap according to this other recent, but only 7 years late final report

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It seems they didn’t use all the Emergency Exits to evacuate … Strange.
strut sticking through wing syndrome
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 17:55
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Recent studies of engine bird strikes reveal that approximately 50% of engine bird strikes damage the engine(s). The risk of engine damage increases proportionally with the size of the bird and with increased engine thrust settings.
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Recent studies of engine bird strikes reveal that approximately 50% of engine bird strikes damage the engine(s). The risk of engine damage increases proportionally with the size of the bird and with increased engine thrust settings.
Who´d have thunk it?...
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 19:45
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https://norvenmunky.wordpress.com/20...ap-of-faith-2/

The regional authorities didn’t allow the Bird Controllers to disrupt the Starling roosting places which were just outside the airfield boundary, ( a linear large grouping of poplars) or use lethal measures on the airfield. Starlings were/are a protected species in Italy.

The starlings used to ‘commute’ across the airfield...
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 04:32
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Recent studies of engine bird strikes reveal that approximately 50% of engine bird strikes damage the engine(s). The risk of engine damage increases proportionally with the size of the bird and with increased engine thrust settings.
I wonder where they got the data from to deduce the effect of thrust vs damage. Seem like thrust goes with AC speed which goes with startle affect at altitudes where birds are commonly ingested.

In my view thrust is not a significant parameter in ingestion damage Kinematics is i.e. vectors
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 05:29
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I have to respect Ryanair pilots. Some of the best pilots in the industry.

But why the heck would you try and go around (and effectively "circumnavigate" around a flock of birds) when you are on final? That's just asking for trouble. The moment you hit something on final, whether a bird or a drone (at LGW), you continue and commit.

There is a really good video floating around on Youtube of a 747 hitting birds on final (filmed in the flight deck). Sure it was the nose cone but the commander called for continue and the FO landed it.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 06:07
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There is a really good video floating around on Youtube of a 747 hitting birds on final (filmed in the flight deck). Sure it was the nose cone but the commander called for continue and the FO landed it.
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Old 30th Apr 2019, 21:44
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Break?! Maybe Brake!

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Old 1st May 2019, 07:39
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Gosh, it's handy that someone was there to capture what happened on video.

Terrifying Moments as Both Engines Failed on Approach to Rome | Ryanair Flight 4102
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Old 1st May 2019, 10:23
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I liked the A3 airport diagram... Rojer That.
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Old 1st May 2019, 15:00
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Originally Posted by captplaystation View Post
10:29 minutes waste of time.
Better read the final report.
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Break?! Maybe Brake!

OAP
Kit-Kat time..

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Old 1st May 2019, 22:07
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The Captain affirmed that normally a pilot in doubt is trained and conditioned to go around, because «the threat is from the ground and not the sky»

We were trained for that! And I believe it is still applicable. In case of doubt, go around

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Did not see report as was away during late December when published.

Difficult to disagree with Captain's assessment based on the information he had to hand and a split second to make that decision.

Not surprising that Ryanair did make an award to both Captain and FO shortly after this, it was clearly justified.

Based on the information trained for then it was the correct decision but subsequent training suggest than landing bearing in mind where they were may have been better but Captain landed the plane so it was a good landing, being able to use it again it would have been a great one but 152 lived

Well done Captain and First Officer. .
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