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Remember,
These days we all bow to one God.........The Shareholder. Your management will do their best to restrain your pay. Whilst you may ride high at this time, do expect it to join the pay scales of everyone else in the sector soon enough.
Also remember............JMC _ Just More Crap.
TTFN
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These days we all bow to one God.........The Shareholder. Your management will do their best to restrain your pay. Whilst you may ride high at this time, do expect it to join the pay scales of everyone else in the sector soon enough.
Also remember............JMC _ Just More Crap.
TTFN
Flight
Wino,
You are too long gone to have anything useful to add, the years have given you rose coloured vision. You were part of an operation that relied on profesionalism, maturity and discretion. The company is now too big to rely on knowledge of individuals and there weaknesses. We must all move on, we are glad you did and a little sad you didn't go sooner. You weren't the weakest link, but goodbye anyway.
You are too long gone to have anything useful to add, the years have given you rose coloured vision. You were part of an operation that relied on profesionalism, maturity and discretion. The company is now too big to rely on knowledge of individuals and there weaknesses. We must all move on, we are glad you did and a little sad you didn't go sooner. You weren't the weakest link, but goodbye anyway.
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Mancu
Sorry you feel so bitter about us lot, fail your ATPL exams lots did you, or was it just that you could not fly the right way up!
Anyway we PROFFESIONALS, will see our salaries rise for the forseeable future because we are only now levelling the playing field that has been uneven for years.
You my freind? , well there is always w/ banking.
Sorry you feel so bitter about us lot, fail your ATPL exams lots did you, or was it just that you could not fly the right way up!
Anyway we PROFFESIONALS, will see our salaries rise for the forseeable future because we are only now levelling the playing field that has been uneven for years.
You my freind? , well there is always w/ banking.
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beardy,
I was at JMC a lot more recently than you seam to think, I think...
If you didn't worship the ground I walk on, well, I am just crying about it.
JMC Is a step up from FCL. But it is still several cuts below What airworld was.
And so they will pay for training costs and more salaries to try and keep people. And so it goes. A large company does not prevent a good management from instilling a team spirit or esprit de corps. Look out South west. They operate more than 350 737s, and they are a TEAM. Lead by good men.
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That is what is missing.
Cheers
Wino
I was at JMC a lot more recently than you seam to think, I think...
If you didn't worship the ground I walk on, well, I am just crying about it.
JMC Is a step up from FCL. But it is still several cuts below What airworld was.
And so they will pay for training costs and more salaries to try and keep people. And so it goes. A large company does not prevent a good management from instilling a team spirit or esprit de corps. Look out South west. They operate more than 350 737s, and they are a TEAM. Lead by good men.
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That is what is missing.
Cheers
Wino
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More obnoxious stupidity obviously by non line people for the the line people after Airworld became FCL:
They did away with the wheeled bags for the F/A's but did nothing to reduce the weight of the poor ladies manuals and required items. I picked up that huge leather purse that they issued them instead of the wheels. It weighed more than my kit bag!
Several people had back injuries from that brilliant move.
It was defended as a way of keeping the girls from buying beer and carrying it on their trolley. Instead of treating them like adults and saying, don't carry beer on the outside of your bags, they did away with a necesary piece of equiptment.
It was just spite, we ground people can't get goodies overseas, so we will take them from the flight staff to make it fair.
I bet the Engineers are still missing my "beer runs" to spain...
Cheers,
Wino
PS. Beardy, as to an operation being too large to depend on the knowledge of individuals. That is just more arrogant tripe. ANY organization is made up of a group of individuals, and the strengths of each and everyone of them are the "institutional knowledge" that provide strength to an operation. FCL pissed away 8 years of airbus institutional knowledge. JMC somewhat corrected that but not nearly enough.
It is the duty of managment to recognize and reward talented line people like the Roger Greys, not just the people that play board room politics well. By your statement, management should just hire monkeys, they are too large to need good people.
[ 09 July 2001: Message edited by: Wino ]
They did away with the wheeled bags for the F/A's but did nothing to reduce the weight of the poor ladies manuals and required items. I picked up that huge leather purse that they issued them instead of the wheels. It weighed more than my kit bag!
Several people had back injuries from that brilliant move.
It was defended as a way of keeping the girls from buying beer and carrying it on their trolley. Instead of treating them like adults and saying, don't carry beer on the outside of your bags, they did away with a necesary piece of equiptment.
It was just spite, we ground people can't get goodies overseas, so we will take them from the flight staff to make it fair.
I bet the Engineers are still missing my "beer runs" to spain...
Cheers,
Wino
PS. Beardy, as to an operation being too large to depend on the knowledge of individuals. That is just more arrogant tripe. ANY organization is made up of a group of individuals, and the strengths of each and everyone of them are the "institutional knowledge" that provide strength to an operation. FCL pissed away 8 years of airbus institutional knowledge. JMC somewhat corrected that but not nearly enough.
It is the duty of managment to recognize and reward talented line people like the Roger Greys, not just the people that play board room politics well. By your statement, management should just hire monkeys, they are too large to need good people.
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PHEW Hell of a topic.
It seems obvious that the najority of responses are detrimental to JMC. However, those of you that seem to have an axe to grind are basing your opinions on previous airline experience.
Unfortunately through takeovers and mergers, Airworld, Flying Colours and Caledonian Airways are now under the guise of the extremely non descript "JMC Airlines".
Through no fault of our own have we were all been introduced to a new system, progress is progress after all. I wonder though if all that anger is not so much directed at each other as to the marketing agency who decided upon such an appalling name and the management team who agreed it!
At the end of the day change is inevitable and we all get on with the job at hand and deliver the service because we all have pride in what we do. The problem arises when we don't feel valued for the services we provide and the extra miles we go. That, as the cabin crew managers are quick to point out then becomes a performance issue. Something they do not seem to realise is that we constantly appraise them on their standards as they do us.
Anyone who is not happy with the way they are treated, level of pay, working conditions etc has a choice...... to stay or to go, unfortunately for JMC the majority are opting to go.....leaving inexperienced staff to cope with demanding and difficult situations which are not being handled well.
I am not condoning the practices of JMC, but i do think that while everyone continues to go that extra mile for a company that simply expects it from ALL its employees, things will never improve.
What we should be doing is focusing on the facts that JMC is JMC, it is not part Airworld, FCL & CKT. Frustratiing as that may seem, whilst we fight amongst ourselves, the company has no reason to change any of its policies and practices and indeed it wont have to!
[ 09 July 2001: Message edited by: Psr777 ]
It seems obvious that the najority of responses are detrimental to JMC. However, those of you that seem to have an axe to grind are basing your opinions on previous airline experience.
Unfortunately through takeovers and mergers, Airworld, Flying Colours and Caledonian Airways are now under the guise of the extremely non descript "JMC Airlines".
Through no fault of our own have we were all been introduced to a new system, progress is progress after all. I wonder though if all that anger is not so much directed at each other as to the marketing agency who decided upon such an appalling name and the management team who agreed it!
At the end of the day change is inevitable and we all get on with the job at hand and deliver the service because we all have pride in what we do. The problem arises when we don't feel valued for the services we provide and the extra miles we go. That, as the cabin crew managers are quick to point out then becomes a performance issue. Something they do not seem to realise is that we constantly appraise them on their standards as they do us.
Anyone who is not happy with the way they are treated, level of pay, working conditions etc has a choice...... to stay or to go, unfortunately for JMC the majority are opting to go.....leaving inexperienced staff to cope with demanding and difficult situations which are not being handled well.
I am not condoning the practices of JMC, but i do think that while everyone continues to go that extra mile for a company that simply expects it from ALL its employees, things will never improve.
What we should be doing is focusing on the facts that JMC is JMC, it is not part Airworld, FCL & CKT. Frustratiing as that may seem, whilst we fight amongst ourselves, the company has no reason to change any of its policies and practices and indeed it wont have to!
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Wino,
I worked for Airworld in it's first year of operation and agree they were a good outfit. I also worked for flying colours and found them to be the best company I ever worked for from an engineering point of view. Please refrain from derogatory remarks such as Flying F******s etc as this is insulting to many people and unprofessional in it's extreme.
Let's keep it clean eh guys.
Thankyou very much.
I worked for Airworld in it's first year of operation and agree they were a good outfit. I also worked for flying colours and found them to be the best company I ever worked for from an engineering point of view. Please refrain from derogatory remarks such as Flying F******s etc as this is insulting to many people and unprofessional in it's extreme.
Let's keep it clean eh guys.
Thankyou very much.
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actually it was me that said that. i agree with you that engineering was good at FCL but that was it. they had 2 very cheap brand names ie club 18-30 and sunset, where losing money hand over fist and manipulated the on time figures in their favour to garner better pr. they got their hands on AWD and butchered us for their own gain. incidentally most of us AWD guys lost money as we lost our profit related bonus in favour of a small pay rise. now thats progress. oh and another thing while i'm about it. the travel perks are rubbish. one half price holiday at top book prices and a cheap holiday to tenerife etc? do me a favour. real perks are unlimited ID90 for the whole family in any class to any destination in the world from a variety of major airlines, with massive discounts in 5 star hotels. to the younger guys in JMC, if you are any good get out of the minors and into the majors people. do you really want to be doing triple night turkeys in 20 years time? you will look like your a 90 on your 50th birthday.
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hey mancu you K++B. 50.3% have demonstrated an absolotue fear to vote with their feet as usual. to them i say baa baa and to anybody else who has their command i say why are you not out her earning twice as much and retiring by age 45. you will be nowhere in 10 years time. ill be on my yacht watching you guys fly in and out of the caribbean 
cheers easy!
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Aah Wino, stirring it up as I fondly remeber you always doing!!!
Mancu, you are obviously one of the brown nosers that got to keep their job and not through merit. Having worked in Airworld and Callie I can tell you that those two companies were superb and that FCL was a bunch of egotistical maniacs who believed they invented aviation. How could you drop a covetted name like Callie, steeped in history and replace it with Jerk My Chain???
My God, if they would get rid of pantywastes like you, the place would run 1000% better.
There is so much animosity between ex AWD, Cllie and FCL that the working atmosphere stinks. You must have been the one to choose the Lime Green.
I hope the Germans in their effecient way, route out W***ers like you as you have done to so many good people that could run this place with their eyes closed,
Go play marbles in the traffic you dips***.
Mancu, you are obviously one of the brown nosers that got to keep their job and not through merit. Having worked in Airworld and Callie I can tell you that those two companies were superb and that FCL was a bunch of egotistical maniacs who believed they invented aviation. How could you drop a covetted name like Callie, steeped in history and replace it with Jerk My Chain???
My God, if they would get rid of pantywastes like you, the place would run 1000% better.
There is so much animosity between ex AWD, Cllie and FCL that the working atmosphere stinks. You must have been the one to choose the Lime Green.
I hope the Germans in their effecient way, route out W***ers like you as you have done to so many good people that could run this place with their eyes closed,
Go play marbles in the traffic you dips***.
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Im guessing that MANCU is former FCL managment. Only their management would be stupid enough to call me out to a street fight, thinking that their poop doesn't stink.
FCL was another one of those airlines that couldn't make money if they were hauling COCAINE, yet their management thought they were brilliant.
They terminated the leases on a bunch of 320s and then tried to run 757s in small markets. Yeah that was smart...
Cheers
Wino
FCL was another one of those airlines that couldn't make money if they were hauling COCAINE, yet their management thought they were brilliant.
They terminated the leases on a bunch of 320s and then tried to run 757s in small markets. Yeah that was smart...
Cheers
Wino
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Well said wino !!
I personally, along with my collegues, all worked bloody hard for AWD and I still rate it, along with Excalibur, as the best airline i've worked for yet...
Mr Saville got the best out of all in my department.
And comparing it to a month I spent in a porta-cabin in a MAN A/pt car park...well, best decision I made was accepting redundancy.!!!
I personally, along with my collegues, all worked bloody hard for AWD and I still rate it, along with Excalibur, as the best airline i've worked for yet...
Mr Saville got the best out of all in my department.
And comparing it to a month I spent in a porta-cabin in a MAN A/pt car park...well, best decision I made was accepting redundancy.!!!
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Mancu.
I have been on hols for a couple of weeks so I have just picked up on this amazing post. Efficent and innivotive I think not.Arrogance and ignorance I think yes. Were you the prepubescent ------ that sent 5 aircraft to athens causing chaos for days and costing jmc a fortune? Were you the idiot that told crews to ignore your own departments pbs?
Were you the cowboy that told the md that a crew had deliberately sabotaged the operation by refusing to break 3 hours discretion.
Mancu take a long hard look at yourself and your operation,
WAS Blue SKY a waste of time. Didn't you learn a thing. Was it spin to impress jd tc c&n.
Go ask the heavy duty battery why there is so much techlog cheating
Just More Cheats
Just More Cowboys
Just More Children
Just More Conceit
Just More Chaos
Please GOD Just More Condor,
Please please please please
Andy
I have been on hols for a couple of weeks so I have just picked up on this amazing post. Efficent and innivotive I think not.Arrogance and ignorance I think yes. Were you the prepubescent ------ that sent 5 aircraft to athens causing chaos for days and costing jmc a fortune? Were you the idiot that told crews to ignore your own departments pbs?
Were you the cowboy that told the md that a crew had deliberately sabotaged the operation by refusing to break 3 hours discretion.
Mancu take a long hard look at yourself and your operation,
WAS Blue SKY a waste of time. Didn't you learn a thing. Was it spin to impress jd tc c&n.
Go ask the heavy duty battery why there is so much techlog cheating
Just More Cheats
Just More Cowboys
Just More Children
Just More Conceit
Just More Chaos
Please GOD Just More Condor,
Please please please please
Andy
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I did and i don't regard myself as a knob any more than the next man. you are welcome to it tight slot. when you relise the error of your misplaced loyalty i hope you are still young enough to move elsewhere.