Ryanair Loss of Pressurisation 25th Aug
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The reason that the mask does not inflate is explained on this thread;
http://www.pprune.org/questions/3405...s-inflate.html
http://www.pprune.org/questions/3405...s-inflate.html
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This "story" is even running in the Daily Telegraph today!
Ryanair boss in row with explorer Pen Hadow over emergency landing
Ryanair boss in row with explorer Pen Hadow over emergency landing
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Let's ask, again, what caused the aircraft to depressurise? What agency/ies will be responsible for the investigation? When will the report be produced? Where will the report be published? I ask these questions because I have yet to discover from any agency whether a report has been published on the Ryanair landing incident at Limoges on 21 March, in which I was a passenger.
On the question of briefings for passengers might I add this - most airlines produce inflight magazines which are full of inconsequential rubbish. Why not oblige them to put in further safety information for passengers (procedures in the event of... and details on oxygen airflow indicators, non-inflation of bags, low flow rate, duration of flow etc) which the cabin crew can refer to at the end of the pre-flight safety briefing.
On the question of briefings for passengers might I add this - most airlines produce inflight magazines which are full of inconsequential rubbish. Why not oblige them to put in further safety information for passengers (procedures in the event of... and details on oxygen airflow indicators, non-inflation of bags, low flow rate, duration of flow etc) which the cabin crew can refer to at the end of the pre-flight safety briefing.
I ask these questions because I have yet to discover from any agency whether a report has been published on the Ryanair landing incident at Limoges on 21 March, in which I was a passenger.
What I was alluding to was not the use of checklists (a topic that could occupy a Masters Dissertation!) but the fact that the flight crew carry out briefs, and that much of the content will also be familiar to them. Doesn't mean they are not carried out, albeit that on a multi sector day, once the a full brief has been given it may be acceptable to refer to "standard brief" for that particular phase, within the same crew.
Not only is a brief given, but questions are also asked (depending on company SOP) e.g. Capt to F/O "what will be your actions in the event of an engine failure prior to V1."
Anyway, sorry - as professional pilot - to try and tell pax how they should respond to safety briefs. I'll continue to listen to them and make damm sure I know what my actions will be, when I'm travelling as pax (which is pretty frequently)
Not only is a brief given, but questions are also asked (depending on company SOP) e.g. Capt to F/O "what will be your actions in the event of an engine failure prior to V1."
Anyway, sorry - as professional pilot - to try and tell pax how they should respond to safety briefs. I'll continue to listen to them and make damm sure I know what my actions will be, when I'm travelling as pax (which is pretty frequently)
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On the question of briefings for passengers might I add this - most airlines produce inflight magazines which are full of inconsequential rubbish. Why not oblige them to put in further safety information for passengers (procedures in the event of... and details on oxygen airflow indicators, non-inflation of bags, low flow rate, duration of flow etc) which the cabin crew can refer to at the end of the pre-flight safety briefing.
In a week where 153 died in Madrid in an air crash, the application of correct procedures and the recovery without incident have been overshadowed by the disproportionate outpourings of expert self publicists.
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Slimshady: "now that you have experience of an incident perhaps you will encourage your fellow travellers to pay attention when the CC are doing the safety demo."
So, you think further information in the inflight magazine would be a waste of time? I beg to disagree. If passengers are able to familiarise themselves with more details, such as the workings of the emergency oxygen supply, then there would be less anxiety and greater appreciation of the work being done by flight crew.
My experience, emergency evac Limoges, 21March2008 - slides deployed. Shoes taken off? None. Cabin crew guiding pax at head of forward slides? None. Hard luggage being brought down slides? Yes, lots. Overwing exits opened? Neither. RH slides stable in gusting wind? No. I could go on.
It may take X? time to produce a report into an incident, that's a given. However, it should be within the competence of the authorities to say what agency is conducting the investigation. I have yet to encounter that competence, either in France where the incident took place or in Ireland where Ryanair is registered.
So, you think further information in the inflight magazine would be a waste of time? I beg to disagree. If passengers are able to familiarise themselves with more details, such as the workings of the emergency oxygen supply, then there would be less anxiety and greater appreciation of the work being done by flight crew.
My experience, emergency evac Limoges, 21March2008 - slides deployed. Shoes taken off? None. Cabin crew guiding pax at head of forward slides? None. Hard luggage being brought down slides? Yes, lots. Overwing exits opened? Neither. RH slides stable in gusting wind? No. I could go on.
It may take X? time to produce a report into an incident, that's a given. However, it should be within the competence of the authorities to say what agency is conducting the investigation. I have yet to encounter that competence, either in France where the incident took place or in Ireland where Ryanair is registered.
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Great cartoon by Matt in the Telegraph today
Matt cartoons witty political cartoons and satirical sketches - Telegraph
I wonder if Mr O'Leary will learn from this experience the true value of his staff. He was after all carefully reading from a brief as he clearly wasn't speaking from his own knowledge of the procedures.
Matt cartoons witty political cartoons and satirical sketches - Telegraph
I wonder if Mr O'Leary will learn from this experience the true value of his staff. He was after all carefully reading from a brief as he clearly wasn't speaking from his own knowledge of the procedures.
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Noxegon - are you really that bored with life! Don't give a sh1t for your fellow passenger? No excitement? How about reading "100 things to do before you die"
It is not only their safety that they are compromising but potentially mine as well!
Noxegon - are you really that bored with life! Don't give a sh1t for your fellow passenger? No excitement? How about reading "100 things to do before you die"
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Unfortunately, Dave Freeman, the co-author of "100 things to do before you die" died last week aged 47, after a fall. He'd completed 50 of them.
Author of 100 Things To Do Before You Die has died before completing his list - Telegraph
Author of 100 Things To Do Before You Die has died before completing his list - Telegraph
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I sympathise entirely - maybe the airlines should introduce a currency requirement. At check in you could state when you last had the brief and what amendment state the brief was at, and then be exempt from paying attention.
It could probably go hand in hand with a similar drive in the cockpit:-
Capt: "this will be a Grice 3 C departure..."
F/O: "Yawn...yeah yeah, I heard that one yesterday, and last week."
Capt: "ah, ok I'll not bother briefing the take off then."
I'm sure the pax would be delighted to hear that.....
It could probably go hand in hand with a similar drive in the cockpit:-
Capt: "this will be a Grice 3 C departure..."
F/O: "Yawn...yeah yeah, I heard that one yesterday, and last week."
Capt: "ah, ok I'll not bother briefing the take off then."
I'm sure the pax would be delighted to hear that.....
As SLF happened to me several time when alone on the business class that the cabin crew politely ask if I am aware of the safety briefing in order to skip it.
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Just in case anyone doesn't understand the words, descent, steep descent or plummet, the Telegraph has illustrated it nicely here 
Has the Sun laid off a load of (scum-sucking) journos who have gone on to get work with the broadsheets?
The reporting of this incident is just blatant sensationalism by Hadow and BBC journos who make a living from telling stories. If they are going to claim the stories to be factual they should check those facts before broadcasting them.
Has the Sun laid off a load of (scum-sucking) journos who have gone on to get work with the broadsheets?
The reporting of this incident is just blatant sensationalism by Hadow and BBC journos who make a living from telling stories. If they are going to claim the stories to be factual they should check those facts before broadcasting them.
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I'm surprised Pen Hadow needed oxygen anyway. It says on his website, under the Profile button:
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At least he should have been okay anywhere up to 29,029 feet.
Pen was catapulted to international fame when he became the first person to complete one of the last great polar challenges - solo, without re-supply, from Canada to the North Geographic Pole. This feat is thought by some to be harder than climbing Everest solo, without oxygen...
At least he should have been okay anywhere up to 29,029 feet.
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In response to this description of a sudden decompression Air scares - Learmount somebody suggested that there should be a pressurisation-triggered announcement that informs the passengers what's going on.
What would such an announcement say? Could it have the desired effect? What is the desired effect - apart from reducing the motivation for someone like Pen Haddow to become an instant expert on sudden decompressions?
What would such an announcement say? Could it have the desired effect? What is the desired effect - apart from reducing the motivation for someone like Pen Haddow to become an instant expert on sudden decompressions?
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Overthewing, what more do you want? Your own personal flight attendant and one also for each of your fellow passengers? The safety briefing is there to be listened to.
I'm not aware that the oxygen mask advice is any different on any type or airline. Am I wrong in that?
What I WOULD like is a chance to actually don an oxygen mask and get a feel for how hard I have to tug, what the oxygen flow feels like, etc.
For example: you're supposed to fit your own mask before attending to children, yes? This involves fitting the straps and tightening them. But in the recent Qantas depressurisation, one passenger told how the elastic straps on his mask had perished, so that the mask kept falling off as he tried to attend to his child. In a panic situation, this is not something I'd like to have to think how to deal with - what do you do - take a deep breath and hold it while attending to the child? Tie a quick knot in the perished elastic? Given time to think about it, I'm sure I could work out how to handle that, but most passengers don't have that luxury.
Perhaps what some enterprising airline could do is to choose a random passenger on each trip, and have them don the lifevest, have his oxygen mask drop, and have him clamber to his nearest exit. Now, if passengers knew that they might be put on the spot like that, I bet everyone would pay attention to the briefing.
I'm not entirely sure I'm joking about that. It would work, and it would certainly brighten the cabin crews' lives.
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In response to this description of a sudden decompression Air scares - Learmount somebody suggested that there should be a pressurisation-triggered announcement that informs the passengers what's going on.
What would such an announcement say? Could it have the desired effect? What is the desired effect - apart from reducing the motivation for someone like Pen Haddow to become an instant expert on sudden decompressions?
What would such an announcement say? Could it have the desired effect? What is the desired effect - apart from reducing the motivation for someone like Pen Haddow to become an instant expert on sudden decompressions?