One-Two-Go Grounded!
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This was taken yesterday (Wednesday) lunchtime at Suvarnabhumi as we taxied out.
Doesn't look like Udom's getting any flying done at the moment.
Doesn't look like Udom's getting any flying done at the moment.
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“It was clearly pilot error,” said Rind, a software engineer with a background in aviation. “There was no evidence of anything wrong with the plane.” She believes the captain was incompetent and was probably suffering from fatigue.
Arief had a history of freezing at the controls during crises and had been working excessive hours, according to a documentary by Australia’s Channel Nine television.
Crew rosters showed that at the time of the crash Arief had worked longer than the 110 hours a month allowed by Thai regulators. These rosters were handed to the authorities by the makers of the documentary.
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The crash was Sept. 16. Had CA Arief flown 110 hrs in September or are they talking about the preceeding 30 days?
Arief had a history of freezing at the controls during crises and had been working excessive hours, according to a documentary by Australia’s Channel Nine television.
Crew rosters showed that at the time of the crash Arief had worked longer than the 110 hours a month allowed by Thai regulators. These rosters were handed to the authorities by the makers of the documentary.
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The crash was Sept. 16. Had CA Arief flown 110 hrs in September or are they talking about the preceeding 30 days?
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You can see the rosters for yourself. See the petition proof link. Look for May 1, 2008. You'll have to figure the number of hours for each leg.
Both pilots were in excess on hours. Montri was the flying pilot.
The excess hours indicates just one of the many highly foreseeable systemic failures. See the black box information, posted on June 12, 2008, to see how it all played out in the final moments
Both pilots were in excess on hours. Montri was the flying pilot.
The excess hours indicates just one of the many highly foreseeable systemic failures. See the black box information, posted on June 12, 2008, to see how it all played out in the final moments
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The "proof link" just shows the duty times, not the flight times.
I'm surprised you don't have the actual flight time provided ("you'll have to figure the number of hours for each leg") since someone is touting "more than 110 hrs of flight time" but then has a link to their duty periods, which is different than actual flight time.
I'm surprised you don't have the actual flight time provided ("you'll have to figure the number of hours for each leg") since someone is touting "more than 110 hrs of flight time" but then has a link to their duty periods, which is different than actual flight time.
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The flight rosters documents are proof because they are the actual rosters used by Orient Thai/One-Two-Go.
When I analyze the routes, it appears that both pilots flew in excess of 100 hours. That's flight time, not duty time. Obviously duty time would take the numbers considerably higher. (Btw, both pilots were scheduled for more flights that day.)
Of course, no one need trust my calculations. Everyone can see DCA deputy director-general Vitichai admit the pilots were in excess of legal hours on the Australian TV program.
Or a person could read the DCA's document stating the reasons for suspending Orient Thai/One-Two-Go's MD-80 fleet. In addition to a number of dangerous and illegal actions by the airline, such as fraudulent check rides, no QA for self-inspection, a lack of fundamental training for emergencies, the document listed excessive flight hours after management had been previously warned of their excessive hours.
Please sign our petition asking for a independent and transparent investigation into the root causes of the crash of OG269. The video and an English translation of the DCA document are available on the petition site "Proof and Evidence" link
When I analyze the routes, it appears that both pilots flew in excess of 100 hours. That's flight time, not duty time. Obviously duty time would take the numbers considerably higher. (Btw, both pilots were scheduled for more flights that day.)
Of course, no one need trust my calculations. Everyone can see DCA deputy director-general Vitichai admit the pilots were in excess of legal hours on the Australian TV program.
Or a person could read the DCA's document stating the reasons for suspending Orient Thai/One-Two-Go's MD-80 fleet. In addition to a number of dangerous and illegal actions by the airline, such as fraudulent check rides, no QA for self-inspection, a lack of fundamental training for emergencies, the document listed excessive flight hours after management had been previously warned of their excessive hours.
Please sign our petition asking for a independent and transparent investigation into the root causes of the crash of OG269. The video and an English translation of the DCA document are available on the petition site "Proof and Evidence" link
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One-Two-Go Fire Sale?
Apparently One-Two-Go has removed several engines from the MD-80 fleet and is trucking them off the airport at Don Mueang Airport.
Also, at least one airframe (+ engines) has been re-registered under a US "N".
Also, at least one airframe (+ engines) has been re-registered under a US "N".
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This also happened with Thaisky a couple of years back.
After the Tristar operation went down and the crews not paid they leased an aircraft, MD-80 if I remember correctly.
When they failed to pay the lease payments the ground engineers removed the engine to prevent the leasing company from repo the aircraft, due to non payment on the lease.
Perhaps the same thing going on here?
After the Tristar operation went down and the crews not paid they leased an aircraft, MD-80 if I remember correctly.
When they failed to pay the lease payments the ground engineers removed the engine to prevent the leasing company from repo the aircraft, due to non payment on the lease.
Perhaps the same thing going on here?
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In late 2005 or early 2006 (cannot remember exactly), Udom had a 757 repossessed by a US company. Their inspectors arrived and spent several weeks going through maintenance documents and logbooks in an effort to locate the original serial numbered parts that arrived with the aircraft when the lease was accepted. I remember taxiing past the 757 fleet (3 at the time) with two of them in pieces as they were now finding the missing parts and refitting them to the original aircraft. 
Around that time, Cho had copied a letter on the copy machine and mistakenly left one behind. I was by chance using the machine after this and noted the letter which stated that the aircraft was to be returned to the lessor for non-payment of lease fees. I cannot remember the exact figure, but Udom was in the red by many many months and to the tune of several million dollars (of the US kind).
Around that time, Cho had copied a letter on the copy machine and mistakenly left one behind. I was by chance using the machine after this and noted the letter which stated that the aircraft was to be returned to the lessor for non-payment of lease fees. I cannot remember the exact figure, but Udom was in the red by many many months and to the tune of several million dollars (of the US kind).
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Thaisky MD-80
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The MD-80 you refer to being used by Thaisky was registration UR-CDR and the engines were re-installed at Don Muang just after that airport closed and the jet then departed.It is unlikely it ever flew any commercial flights with Thaisky.
The MD-80 you refer to being used by Thaisky was registration UR-CDR and the engines were re-installed at Don Muang just after that airport closed and the jet then departed.It is unlikely it ever flew any commercial flights with Thaisky.
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Video of Orient Thai UN Charter Flight
We've obtained a video of an Orient Thai UN charter flight. The flight attendants are on the aircraft for over 24 hours.
A description of the video's contents and access to the video is available on the Investigate Udom Proof and Evidence link. Look for Aug 18, 2008.
(If you don't speak Thai, you might want to stick with the description of the video.)
A description of the video's contents and access to the video is available on the Investigate Udom Proof and Evidence link. Look for Aug 18, 2008.
(If you don't speak Thai, you might want to stick with the description of the video.)
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One-Two-Go Fire Sale? (part II)
A kind traveler took a few photos of One-Two-Go aircraft sans engines:
See the InvestigateUdom image site click on the "Relevant Photos" gallery.
See the InvestigateUdom image site click on the "Relevant Photos" gallery.
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Bangkok Post Article
Error? No mention of pilot's failure to fly.
Bangkok Post | General news | One-Two-Go, Orient Thai still grounded
<<<AVIATION
One-Two-Go, Orient Thai still grounded
AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK
Orient Thai Airlines and its budget carrier One-Two-Go have been grounded for another two months for failing to bring pilot training up to standard. Aviation Department director-general Chaisak Angsuwan said yesterday the two airlines had failed to correct shortcomings since they were first suspended for 30 days on July 22.
The suspension period had therefore been extended for another 30 days, from Aug 21 to Sept 20.
If the two airlines continued to fall short of the required standard their operating licences would be cancelled, Mr Chaisak said.
Neiother (sic) airline had sent their MD-80 pilots for refresher training as required. They had failed to produce operation management and flight safety manuals, and to introduce a quality assurance system.
Mr Chaisak said the investigation into the crash of One-Two-Go flight OG269 at Phuket airport on Sept 16 last year was caused by a combination of human error and bad weather. The plane crashed in heavy rain and high winds while trying to land, claiming the lives of 89 passengers and crew and injuring 41 others.
Company chairman Udom Tantiprasongchai admitted yesterday the airlines had not sent all their MD-80 pilots for re-training.
He said there were more than 60 pilots, so they had to wait for their turn. This would take at least another 30 days.
All 10 of the airlines' Boeing 747 pilots had completed their retraining.
Orient Thai now operates only one daily flight from Suvarnabhumi airport to Hong Kong.>>>>>>
Bangkok Post | General news | One-Two-Go, Orient Thai still grounded
<<<AVIATION
One-Two-Go, Orient Thai still grounded
AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK
Orient Thai Airlines and its budget carrier One-Two-Go have been grounded for another two months for failing to bring pilot training up to standard. Aviation Department director-general Chaisak Angsuwan said yesterday the two airlines had failed to correct shortcomings since they were first suspended for 30 days on July 22.
The suspension period had therefore been extended for another 30 days, from Aug 21 to Sept 20.
If the two airlines continued to fall short of the required standard their operating licences would be cancelled, Mr Chaisak said.
Neiother (sic) airline had sent their MD-80 pilots for refresher training as required. They had failed to produce operation management and flight safety manuals, and to introduce a quality assurance system.
Mr Chaisak said the investigation into the crash of One-Two-Go flight OG269 at Phuket airport on Sept 16 last year was caused by a combination of human error and bad weather. The plane crashed in heavy rain and high winds while trying to land, claiming the lives of 89 passengers and crew and injuring 41 others.
Company chairman Udom Tantiprasongchai admitted yesterday the airlines had not sent all their MD-80 pilots for re-training.
He said there were more than 60 pilots, so they had to wait for their turn. This would take at least another 30 days.
All 10 of the airlines' Boeing 747 pilots had completed their retraining.
Orient Thai now operates only one daily flight from Suvarnabhumi airport to Hong Kong.>>>>>>
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Memorial
To remember those who lost their lives in the Thai Orient/1-2 Go crash that was
wholly preventable.
At Phuket Airport, September 16, 2008 as near as possible to the site of the crash and at the same time
of day 3:30 PM ( Afternoon)
Also, there will be demonstrations in front of Thai Embassy in France and perhaps
Washington, DC to protest the Thai DCA's
( Dept. of Civil Aviation) apparent lack of regulatory authority regarding this
airline company . ( Corruption)
The U.S.A. FAA is considering , and being aggressively lobbied to downgrade
Thailand's Aviation safety standard.
More details to follow
wholly preventable.
At Phuket Airport, September 16, 2008 as near as possible to the site of the crash and at the same time
of day 3:30 PM ( Afternoon)
Also, there will be demonstrations in front of Thai Embassy in France and perhaps
Washington, DC to protest the Thai DCA's
( Dept. of Civil Aviation) apparent lack of regulatory authority regarding this
airline company . ( Corruption)
The U.S.A. FAA is considering , and being aggressively lobbied to downgrade
Thailand's Aviation safety standard.
More details to follow
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Orient Thai 747 pilots not properly qualified?
We are told a number of the Orient Thai 747-200 pilots are not properly qualified for their aircraft. Redacting the names of the pilots seems appropriate at this time. The reasons for lack of qualification are:
www.InvestigateUdom.com promoting a transparent and proper investigation into the crash of OG269.
- No ground school (2 pilots)
- Qualified for the Airbus 330, not the 747-200 (1 pilot)
- Qualified for the 747-400, not the 747-200 (1 pilot)
www.InvestigateUdom.com promoting a transparent and proper investigation into the crash of OG269.
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Ex-" unqualified " Orient Thai pilots in HKA
Heard from some sources that quite a few former " unqualified " Orient Thai pilots migrated to fragrant harbour to seek their fortunes as big wigs in HKA............then caused quite a ruckus there! Any truth to this?
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Well...
2 X no school + 1 X Airbus qualified + 1 X -400 qualified...
I'm guessing in that bunch that there's nobody that actually knows either how real airplanes work nor the slightest clue how to fly one!
Ooops, no computers...no can do!
Thank God for professional Flight Engineers!
Cheers...I think...FD...
2 X no school + 1 X Airbus qualified + 1 X -400 qualified...
I'm guessing in that bunch that there's nobody that actually knows either how real airplanes work nor the slightest clue how to fly one!
Ooops, no computers...no can do!
Thank God for professional Flight Engineers!
Cheers...I think...FD...
An x CX chap joined very early in their operation and was told he would get sectors of line training then a check.
His first sector BKK HKG was the training AND check. Second sector was solo.
He had flown the classic before but not in quite a few years.
His first sector BKK HKG was the training AND check. Second sector was solo.
He had flown the classic before but not in quite a few years.